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Missing supercharger routes? (End of 2015)

Discussion in 'Charging Standards and Infrastructure' started by wk057, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. wk057

    wk057 Senior Tinkerer

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    So, I was planning another trip from NJ to western NC. I've successfully done this using the Newark, DE (could probably have skipped), Glen Allen, VA and Burlington, NC superchargers and some destination charging without any issues via I-95, I-85, and I-40. Was a nice trip. :)

    In the past (ICE and Chevy Volt) during peak travel times I would always take I-95S down to the Baltimore, MD area, then cut across I-70W to Hwy 340W(S?) and catch I-81S down to I-77S to I-40. This route takes about 15 minutes longer than I-95S to I-85S to I-40W, but is almost always less congested at peak times compared to I-95 through D.C. through Fredericksburg, VA area or so, generally saving quite a bit of time.

    But, there are no planned superchargers along this route! Literally, the I-81 stretch in VA gets no attention even on the "End of 2015" map! :(

    Really, one or two planned supercharger dots on that stretch of I-81 makes for a lot more potential routes in that area. Biggest example: There is a planned SC in Knoxville, TN. But, to get there from NJ you'd have to do the I-95S/I-85S/I-40W route, which is over 100 miles longer! 669mi vs 775mi, per Google Maps.

    Looking more at that map, this is only one of two large stretches of interstate highway I see that have no superchargers shown. The other is I-20 through Louisiana.

    I'm wondering if this is just an oversight or if they don't actually have plans to support these areas. The latter would be a little disappointing because the route I take down I-81 is pretty relaxing and scenic compared to the I-95/I-85 option currently available.

    I'm quite fine with waiting until 2016 or whatever the case may be to be able to take that trip quickly with the Model S, but, I hope it isn't overlooked completely.

    Anyone else notice any gaps like that in routes they would use?

    Not picking on Tesla or anything! I'm honestly thinking this was overlooked and I hope they add them in! :)
     
  2. dsm363

    dsm363 Roadster + Sig Model S

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    If you have a suggestion or especially if you are or know a property owner or someone influential they can secure the kind of place Tesla is looking for Tesla has this website
    Supercharging

    Other option is to try and get some people together to donate a 80A HPWC to a good spot.
     
  3. wk057

    wk057 Senior Tinkerer

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    Unfortunately I don't have any property or any real contacts in the area I mentioned, since I just pass through. I may check into it at some point though since I know some people who probably do know some people who know some people who may know something. :p
     
  4. dhrivnak

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    #4 dhrivnak, Apr 28, 2014
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    Yes I live just off 81 in NE Tennessee and there is no way to get to DC or for that matter Pittsburgh or Meridian MS which are all frequent destinations for us. Unfortunately there is no way to make a Model S work for us unless they add several more sites.

    I will just have to make do with a Volt as our trip car.
     
  5. TexasEV

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    A route to South Padre Island, Texas, one of the best beaches in the country, is missing on the end of 2015 map. That area of south Texas includes Brownsville where SpaceX plans a launch site, so the omission is even more surprising.
     
  6. physicsfita

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    There isn't anything for Michigan's Upper Peninsula -- that would make it really inconvenient to get to the western UP from the Lower Peninsula, not to mention Green Bay. I know it would be a long way off since US 2 isn't a divided highway, but it would be nice to know that it's on their long-term radar.
     
  7. Skotty

    Skotty 2014 Model S P85

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    There are no supercharger dots along I-55 between St. Louis, MO and Memphis, TN. I don't think an S85 would make it. I'm certain an S60 wouldn't. So that's another route that is missing. Not a super long route -- would only require 1 supercharger -- but on an interstate between 2 major cities. I think Tesla will put a supercharger on that route eventually. It's just not on the tentative future map currently.
     
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    I'd like to see some along I-24 and I-57. That would be good for folks going from WI, Chicago, etc. to the Southeast and back. That would avoid the congestion around Louisville and Indianapolis.
     
  9. Cottonwood

    Cottonwood Roadster#433, Model S#S37

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    I-24 is an important connector between St Louis and Nashville and between Chicago and Nashville, not to mention providing access to the "Land Between the Lakes" recreation area!

    I'll date myself, but for two summers, long, long ago, I worked as a card-carrying union construction worker building I-24 through Southern Illinois.
     
  10. wk057

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    #10 wk057, Jan 10, 2015
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    I'm digging up my own old thread because as of yesterday seems relevant.

    Looks like Tesla finally released an end of 2016 map, and it appears to include the areas questioned in this thread. However, given, the slow down of the North American supercharge build out, and their 2014 target being missed by quite a long shot, I'm not going to be optimistic...

    20150109.jpg
    (Image from teslamotors.com, labeled "2016", 2015-01-10)

    Edit: For comparison, here is the last end of 2015 map prior to the updated map:

    20141217.jpg

    - - - Updated - - -

    I kind of like the dots better, personally.
     
  11. vinnie97

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    ^Me too (less cluttered). Thanks for the map comparison. I'm disappointed to see they scrapped US-287 (Amarillo to Denton) given it's a major artery to the west from Dallas. Maybe it comes back in 2017 with the unveiling of Model 3.
     
  12. physicsfita

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    Jackson, MI, which was supposed to go in last year, got dropped off of I-94 altogether, leaving a 190 mile haul from Windsor, ON to St. Joseph, MI. That also means that many round trips along I-94 will require L2 charging or up to 80 miles of detour to catch the supercharger in Lansing. It also forces a detour of just under an hour for trips to Chicago from the south side of the Detroit metro or from the 401 in Ontario. A supercharger in Jackson or maybe Marshall would address all of this, and would make a Model 3 much more usable for me. I'm having a hard time fathoming Tesla's logic here -- seems like a pretty big miss.
     
  13. Robert.Boston

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    My guess is that someone thought that a 25-mile detour through Lansing would be okay if the 190 miles is too far. Maybe as a short-term fix, but something that should be addressed.
     
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    It's simple, Tesla execs want to avoid being accused of favoritism. That's why Kingston, Ontario ("Coming Soon" since September 2013, but still stalled) where Elon Musk spend two years is so delayed. In the I-94 case, Jerome Guillen's University of Michigan degree works against you. :)
     
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    I am with wk057 in his thoughts. The past four-five months of Supercharger completion in North America has been beyond expectations when we consider how slowly they were opened the early part of 2014. I have every reason to believe that the greyed-out pins on the 2015 map will be open by early summer. However, it seems that Tesla works in spurts, so I feel that we will experience another tapering of the construction of SC's in the last half of 2015, pending the start of the delivery of the Model X.

    Location planning and route emphasis may be held back in part by the distribution of the Model X. Tesla may have developed models to determine perceived need based upon the delivery locations of their customers. Once delivery and orders of Model X are well under way (say, second quarter 2016), we might then see another construction push the last half of that year. But, I think the projection map for 2016 is too sanguine to rely upon right now. There will still be gaps on some of the less-traveled routes.

    But I hope I am 100% wrong!
     
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    #16 AudubonB, Jan 12, 2015
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    I'm going to lift the following from one of The Best Posts Of 2014, back from 25 June:

    Oh, wait. That was me who posted it! Heh heh.:wink:

    Here is the route with one suggestion of SpC sites, from south to north, with miles in between each station. Extant or apparent SpC sites are emboldened

    Wickenburg
    131 miles
    Kingman AZ
    104 miles
    Las Vegas
    151 miles
    Caliente
    133 miles
    Ely
    139 miles
    Wells (West Wendover, 60 miles to the east, appears to have gotten the nod)
    116 miles
    Twin Falls, ID
    108 miles
    Arco
    80 miles
    Challis
    135 miles
    Darby, MT
    63 miles
    Missoula
    118 miles
    Kalispell
    137 miles
    Cranbrook, BC
    89 miles
    Radium Hot Springs
    81 miles
    Lake Louise AB
    145 miles
    Jasper

    I ran out of patience looking for which western Canadian sites are to be close to the one I suggested above.
    At any rate, I am not holding my breath on this one; I think it likely only with respect to SpC-ing it all the way back to Alaska..... yeah, right. A terrible shame, just as much a shame as it is to have to make this drive only in an ICE.
     
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    Talk to them about putting in a battery swap station. Or maybe you'll be the first with the new 170 kWh battery option! Of course, you deserve some love, but Tesla is notoriously a lousy lover.

    And I bet those Pickups get lousy mileage, too.
     
  18. cpa

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    I happen to agree with your statement that there are much more scenic, humble and leisurely roads out there for us all to travel, that are off the Interstate Highways. Your Highway 93 is a good example, as is US395 from Reno to Kettle Falls and into Canada; US97 from Weed (although Bend OR is scheduled for a SC) to the Canadian border; US101 up the Oregon coast and to the Olympic Peninsula; US50 ("The Loneliest Road in America"); US6 across Nevada; US40 east of Heber City UT; US2 from Spokane across Northern Montana, North Dakota and Minnesota. Doubtless there are dozens more in other parts of the US and Canada that I am not familiar with.

    I would hope that after Tesla has completed the 2016 map that covers virtually all of the USA and selected routes in Canada that they would then take a look at installing even two-pod "temporary" Superchargers along many of these more remote highways, just to see if they get a fair amount of utilization before plunging into full-fledged construction of permanent Superchargers.
     
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    #20 GRA, Jan 17, 2015
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    My hope is that they realize well before the end of 2016 that anyone who can afford a Model S or X who's traveling on business will fly if it's more than a few hundred miles, because their time is valuable. That being the case, while driving to amusement parks and similar man-made destinations for recreation may never require that you leave the interstate, anyone who likes their recreation more natural needs SCs off the interstates en route to them. Why aren't there more SCs planned in gateway towns for National Parks and Monuments in 2015/2016, like Moab and the soon to arrive Lone Pine and Inyokern, instead of the sure to be lightly used and mostly non-scenic I-94 in North Dakota? As posted upthread, interstates are boring drives - they're supposed to be.

    Here's some I think would be valauble sooner rather than later in addition to the routes mentioned above, that are missing from the 2015 map (Note that I don't think SCs will be possible and/or allowed in most NPs/Monuments):


    Grand Canyon: Tusayan, Cameron and probably Ash Fork, AZ, eventually Kanab or Jacob Lake. Ash Fork so people approaching from the west on I-40 don't have to go to Flagstaff first, the others are the south and east gateway towns.

    Monument Valley: Kayenta, AZ, in combination with Cameron from the south, Blanding from the north, and Cortez from the northeast.

    Glacier: Kalispell, MT, and/or West Glacier (plus a better EB interstate 90 location than Superior)

    Mesa Verde: Cortez, CO.

    Grand Teton: Jackson and/or Moran.

    Yellowstone: West Yellowstone, Gardiner, plus Pocatello and Twin Falls to get here and Grand Teton from SLC.

    Rocky Mountain: Estes Park and Granby, CO.

    Great Basin: Baker, NV.

    Capitol Reef: Hanksville, UT.

    I'm sure people can come up with many others, but it seems to me that these cars are going to be used on longer road trips primarily for weekend/vacation rather than business, so Tesla should be enabling those trips rather than the largely absent need to drive transcontinentally.
     

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