Model 3 Cockpit Similar to LeEco LeSee

[mhan00]

Well if the Model 3 was only being built with affordability in mind there would have been a conventional instrument cluster like the Model S. There isn't, and that is because Tesla has something else in mind. Something new and therefore likely more complicated than existing instrument clusters. Elon clearly stated that he wants to make vehicles that can be used autonomously as Uber like vehicles. If that is truly the case then a steering wheel that moves out of the way somehow makes complete sense.

Why would affordability mean the car would have a standard instrument cluster? Having a center screen display the info is simpler and cheaper, especially for cars being built for countries like England with the drivers' seat on the right side. There is absolutely no way the Model III will completely autonomous in its first iteration. The software won't be ready, and the laws definitely won't be ready by next year. Having a steering wheel that moves out of the way makes no sense. It's needlessly complex and there's absolutely no reason for it. Just because Elon eventually sees Tesla building cars capable of full autonomy doesn't mean that the 35k dollar car they're trying to launch next year will be it. The first master plan has taken more than five years. What makes you think master plan part two will be done in a year when part one isn't even done yet?

There are going to be people who will be massively disappointed in the III, not because it won't be a great car, but because they've built up such crazy expectations for it they'll be let down by a conventional vehicle with realistic (and affordable) features and options.

 

[jdevo2004]

Why would affordability mean the car would have a standard instrument cluster? Having a center screen display the info is simpler and cheaper, especially for cars being built for countries like England with the drivers' seat on the right side. There is absolutely no way the Model III will completely autonomous in its first iteration. The software won't be ready, and the laws definitely won't be ready by next year. Having a steering wheel that moves out of the way makes no sense. It's needlessly complex and there's absolutely no reason for it. Just because Elon eventually sees Tesla building cars capable of full autonomy doesn't mean that the 35k dollar car they're trying to launch next year will be it. The first master plan has taken more than five years. What makes you think master plan part two will be done in a year when part one isn't even done yet?

There are going to be people who will be massively disappointed in the III, not because it won't be a great car, but because they've built up such crazy expectations for it they'll be let down by a conventional vehicle with realistic (and affordable) features and options.

Sorry but just no. Tesla has said that the blank instrument cluster of the Model 3 is incomplete and will be revealed at a second event. An event that Tesla predicts will bring much more demand than the Model 3 than there already is. Musk has said that full autonomy is about 2 years away. The Model 3 is going to ship with full autonomy hardware and be updated via software to enable this once full autonomy is ready just like the Model S is updated periodically. The steering wheel is going to move out of the way for passengers because it is the future of automobiles.

 

[mhan00]

Sorry but just no. Tesla has said that the blank instrument cluster of the Model 3 is incomplete and will be revealed at a second event. An event that Tesla predicts will bring much more demand than the Model 3 than there already is. Musk has said that full autonomy is about 2 years away. The Model 3 is going to ship with full autonomy hardware and be updated via software to enable this once full autonomy is ready just like the Model S is updated periodically. The steering wheel is going to move out of the way for passengers because it is the future of automobiles.

Okay. Just don't freak out and start saying you're going to cancel your reservation when it turns out you're wrong.

 

[Model 3]

Musk has said that full autonomy is about 2 years away.

Musk have said that they (Tesla) will have a car with is capable of been driven fully autonomous in about 2 years. Not that they would have it in production for sale to customers, and not that it would be street legal. That is expected to take "a few" years more.

Will Model 3 produced next year be able to drive autonomous when that is possible and legal? Probably, but I think it will be at least one more generation of cars before they produce a car for customers that is designed to mainly been driven autonomous, and therefor have any option to hide - or drop - the steering wheel.

 

[JeffK]

but I think it will be at least one more generation of cars before they produce a car for customers that is designed to mainly been driven autonomous, and therefor have any option to hide - or drop - the steering wheel.

I doubt Tesla will ever come out with cars that drop the steering wheel due to comments by Elon saying that he'd always like a way to manually drive the car.

 

[Model 3]

I doubt Tesla will ever come out with cars that drop the steering wheel due to comments by Elon saying that he'd always like a way to manually drive the car.

So do I (except for the buss he mentioned in the MP#2). But if he does, it will absolutely not be in this generation of cars.

 

[drj3]

What's the point of 0-60 in under 6 seconds if I'm not the one driving. Helping me drive in greater safety is great, but I still want to drive. (I would be lobbying for a stick shift in the model 3 if it needed a transmission.)

 

[jdevo2004]

So the Volkswagen ID concept car which is arriving in 2020 will have autonomous driving and a steering wheel that retracts into the dashboard. If you still think the Model 3 wont have a retractable steering wheel by now then you just do not have a proper grasp of the future.
VW unveils details of its all-electric & autonomous ‘I.D. concept’ car w/ ‘over 250 miles range’, says it will arrive in 2020

 

[int32_t]

So the Volkswagen ID concept car which is arriving in 2020 will have autonomous driving and a steering wheel that retracts into the dashboard. If you still think the Model 3 wont have a retractable steering wheel by now then you just do not have a proper grasp of the future.
VW unveils details of its all-electric & autonomous ‘I.D. concept’ car w/ ‘over 250 miles range’, says it will arrive in 2020

The majority has been wrong before. It wouldn't be the first time. Just saying.

 

[int32_t]

I doubt Tesla will ever come out with cars that drop the steering wheel due to comments by Elon saying that he'd always like a way to manually drive the car.

That's encouraging. Where did you hear that?

 

[mhan00]

So the Volkswagen ID concept car which is arriving in 2020 will have autonomous driving and a steering wheel that retracts into the dashboard. If you still think the Model 3 wont have a retractable steering wheel by now then you just do not have a proper grasp of the future.
VW unveils details of its all-electric & autonomous ‘I.D. concept’ car w/ ‘over 250 miles range’, says it will arrive in 2020

yeah, picture of a concept car that might come out three or four years from now, if ever, is proof that the Model 3, that Musk has said will be far simpler to manufacture and thus harder to screw up and thus be delayed by years like the S and X were and will thus also be less likely to suffer from the quality control issues that the S and X initial batches were infamous for, will have a retractable steering wheel because it will be fully autonomous. LOL.

VW throws out a lot of pretty pictures of electric cars, especially after they got caught cheating on their diesel emissions tests. Their track record of actually manufacturing those cars has thus far been extremely poor to non existent.

 

[FlatSix911]

yeah, picture of a concept car that might come out three or four years from now, if ever, is proof that the Model 3, that Musk has said will be far simpler to manufacture and thus harder to screw up and thus be delayed by years like the S and X were and will thus also be less likely to suffer from the quality control issues that the S and X initial batches were infamous for, will have a retractable steering wheel because it will be fully autonomous. LOL.

VW throws out a lot of pretty pictures of electric cars, especially after they got caught cheating on their diesel emissions tests. Their track record of actually manufacturing those cars has thus far been extremely poor to non existent.

Absolutely the truth ... only a fool would manufacture a Falcon Wing steering wheel

 

[int32_t]

And while we're talking about interiors looking like a 3 ... how many manufacturers are now planning on stuffing the battery under the floor of the vehicle? And all-touch interiors are all the rage. Can't innovate, people! How come it took Tesla to come up with that? At least they did it well. All-touch-everything is likely a fad and once people think capacitive sensors are as cool as buttons, buttons will start coming back in. "Hey, check this out: I can find this control without even looking!"

 

[dsvick]

All-touch-everything is likely a fad and once people think capacitive sensors are as cool as buttons, buttons will start coming back in. "Hey, check this out: I can find this control without even looking!"

There will always be buttons, if only a few on the steering wheel for convenience, the next steps, I think, will be in voice control. It's improving by leaps and soon you should be able to do just about everything quickly and easily by just saying it. The touch screen will still be there for times you don't want to, or can't, talk though.

 

[int32_t]

There will always be buttons, if only a few on the steering wheel for convenience, the next steps, I think, will be in voice control. It's improving by leaps and soon you should be able to do just about everything quickly and easily by just saying it. The touch screen will still be there for times you don't want to, or can't, talk though.

I thought somebody had a concept car out with capacitive touch on the steering wheel. Can't remember where I saw it though.

 

[FirstSea]

I want believe, but logic tells me the 3 will only have level 3 autonomy (highways and streets); it won't be until the Tesla 4 when we finally get full autonomy.

We'll find out by the end of the year when Tesla does it's APv2 unveiled.

 

[S3XY]

I want believe, but logic tells me the 3 will only have level 3 autonomy (highways and streets); it won't be until the Tesla 4 when we finally get full autonomy.

We'll find out by the end of the year when Tesla does it's APv2 unveiled.

I expect that M≡ will be level 3 autonomy at launch and will be software upgraded to level 4 or at least near level 4 autonomy later on.

 

[Garlan Garner]

I expect that M≡ will be level 3 autonomy at launch and will be software upgraded to level 4 or at least near level 4 autonomy later on.

I hope you are correct. Looks like autonomy 2 is a thing of the present with level 3 on the horizon.

I can't wait to see the thing that Elon says - blows his mind. He mentioned that back in May or June.

 

[Scannerman]

Auto presenting steering wheel? HELL NO. Not even if it was somehow cheap enough to put into the base model. Tesla needs to keep the III simple as they can while still making it a great car. Introducing something like that would be a disaster waiting to happen. Tesla had enough issues with their self presenting door handles in the S which is an annoying issue; but how much worse would it be if owners were stuck, unable to drive because their steering wheels self presenting hardware broke? Tesla already ****ed themselves with the FWDs and the resulting delays in production and service with the X. If they do that with a car they're hoping to sell 500k of over the next three years, they'll destroy themselves.

Not to mention an uncommanded retraction, while the vehicle is in motion!!

Scannerman