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Tedkidd
Member
#127 - did it as soon as I got the email. Must have pretty good reach (or my email was low on the list)!
brucet999
Active Member
JeffK
Well-Known Member
Looks like Tesla balloons, but it might as well be a CAPTCHA hahaAre those gold letters a sculpture or a CAPTCHA?
I saw the winner in my dream-really impressed with his positive habits related to reducing carbon emission. The person does not use drive thru at the fast food, shuts off vehicle at the railroad crossing as train passes thru, does not idle car at the parking lot & browse thru smart (dumb) phone. That person ride public transport, ride bike/walk, share ride or car pool and reduce consumption to reduce waste etc etc. The winner was a lucky person and luck must be earned -it does not fall from the sky. From this day onward: the EARTH DAY-we all gonna behave responsibly & positively and be the winner of the beautiful EARTH, the only place we can live.
ConcordeSST
Member
Number 556! I'm excited! This is a lot of money for me to part with, but I truly believe that it's for a good cause.
Great sentiment - we can all commit to do better!
Thank you both for buying tickets! Exactly how I justified it last year - not a tax-deductible donation, but effectively a donation with a chance of winning a very nice prize, that's a lot more likely than winning the lottery! Now that I'm part of the organization (I was a director of Climate Action Business Association which became affiliated with Climate XChange last year) I'm not allowed to enter the raffle...
Hi, @ConcordeSST & @EValuatED,
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you especially for your support of the 2017 Carbon Pricing Awareness Raffle and of carbon pricing in general!
Alan
Mine is # 405- reserved model 3 March 31, been driving the Zeroemission 2013 Nisssan LEAF since last December and getting the battery replaced for free tomorrow. I work as a blade technician for a wind (renewable energy) company and we have special parking for EV with level 2 chargers for free- believe these're the reward for THINKING GLOBALLY, ACTING LOCALLY.
Way to go, @tashtibet! Thank you, @CT200h! Man oh man, if we ever need a new tagline.... "coolest prizes on the planet and a great cause"... I know where I'm coming back to.
EfficientWatts
Member
Also, FWIW, I've (finally) created a thread focused on the 2017 Climate XChange Carbon Pricing Awareness Raffle. Some details, links, FAQ, with pix forthcoming.
Alan
Alan
bcsteeve
Member
I'm just curious if you know if a Canadian can buy the ticket and if I were lucky enough to win... err... could I collect?
Edit:
I found this in the legal details:
As it happens, I am a US citizen (by birth). But I wouldn't have an address and I don't have a SSN or anything else identifying me as US except a birth cert.
My guess is I can win... but I probably have some hoops to jump through.
Edit:
I found this in the legal details:
As it happens, I am a US citizen (by birth). But I wouldn't have an address and I don't have a SSN or anything else identifying me as US except a birth cert.
My guess is I can win... but I probably have some hoops to jump through.
Hi, @bcsteeve,
Sad to say, we haven't conquered the legalities of selling to Canadians. Basically, we can sell to anyone who has a US address and a US social security number:
The US Citizenship you have, and the birth certificate you have, certainly both help. But I don't know how to solve the rest. Could you arrange a US address for ordering and delivery, one that we could put into our system for your ticket? Do you have a suggestion as to how we could make the tax payment on your behalf? Can you go get the US government to give you a tax ID -- and would you really want to, would there be an implication that you'd have to worry about filing US tax returns and, if so, for how long?
Let's say you managed to buy a ticket AND win Grand Prize (or 2nd or 3rd). (Thinking out loud, here.) If you and the Raffle can't figure out how to put the car in your hands and/or what to do about the tax payment, one possibility is that the Raffle refunds your ticket (AFTER the Drawing!), makes the 2nd prize winner into the Grand Prize winner, 3rd into 2nd and so on, and either the 6th prize winner gets two prizes or we have one prize left over. The other prize winners are all happy because they got at least what they were promised, if not more. You are unhappy because you won but got your ticket refunded as your reward. Maybe you sue us, so now we're all pretty unhappy. So then we let you buy a ticket but make you sign a legal paper promising not to sue us if you win. If you win! That's perverse.
In a more optimistic case, we figure out how to deliver to some US address that you wind up supplying. But then there's the tax payment. Does that go to the US, somehow, still? Do we make a payment to the Canadian tax authorities and, if so, how? Will you have some kind of import tax to pay if you bring it to Canada from the US? My head hurts.
Honestly, if you were willing to do some casual chatting with a Canadian attorney, I'd be willing to listen. Heck, if you found a Canadian attorney willing to research this problem, the Raffle would be willing to find a way to reimburse you for a couple of hours of attorney time. Heck, if the Raffle can't figure out how to reimburse you, I'd send you a personal check or do a wire transfer.
The raffle is so time-consuming that this is the second time I've ran out of time to really dig into this issue. I managed to post a plea here on TMC a couple of months ago asking for pointers to attorneys who knew Canadian and/or EU law, but got no response. We love our Canadian friends and would greatly appreciate their help and support with carbon emissions and with the raffle. If you can help me find a path, I'd gladly walk it with you.
At this point, I'd be reluctant to sell you a ticket because I feel as if I'd be taking your money and not giving you in return an adequate opportunity to take delivery on Grand, 2nd or 3rd prizes. I guess I wouldn't be violating the rules we set up for the raffle, but it sure doesn't feel good. I suppose you could win 4th, 5th or 6th and we could find a way to deliver a check to you. But that also doesn't feel good. If you've already somehow bought a ticket, I'm willing to refund it to you at any time before the raffle closes.
I'm sorry I don't have any better ideas.
Alan
Sad to say, we haven't conquered the legalities of selling to Canadians. Basically, we can sell to anyone who has a US address and a US social security number:
- US Address - implies that we have a clean path through Tesla for order entry, configuration, production and delivery.
- US SSN - implies that we have a clean path to make the federal income tax payment.
- Taken together, and without having any kind of definitive legal or practical examples to point to, probably means that the purchaser is a US citizen, a US green card holder, or a US permanent resident of some kind.
The US Citizenship you have, and the birth certificate you have, certainly both help. But I don't know how to solve the rest. Could you arrange a US address for ordering and delivery, one that we could put into our system for your ticket? Do you have a suggestion as to how we could make the tax payment on your behalf? Can you go get the US government to give you a tax ID -- and would you really want to, would there be an implication that you'd have to worry about filing US tax returns and, if so, for how long?
Let's say you managed to buy a ticket AND win Grand Prize (or 2nd or 3rd). (Thinking out loud, here.) If you and the Raffle can't figure out how to put the car in your hands and/or what to do about the tax payment, one possibility is that the Raffle refunds your ticket (AFTER the Drawing!), makes the 2nd prize winner into the Grand Prize winner, 3rd into 2nd and so on, and either the 6th prize winner gets two prizes or we have one prize left over. The other prize winners are all happy because they got at least what they were promised, if not more. You are unhappy because you won but got your ticket refunded as your reward. Maybe you sue us, so now we're all pretty unhappy.
So then we let you buy a ticket but make you sign a legal paper promising not to sue us if you win. If you win! That's perverse.In a more optimistic case, we figure out how to deliver to some US address that you wind up supplying. But then there's the tax payment. Does that go to the US, somehow, still? Do we make a payment to the Canadian tax authorities and, if so, how? Will you have some kind of import tax to pay if you bring it to Canada from the US? My head hurts.
Honestly, if you were willing to do some casual chatting with a Canadian attorney, I'd be willing to listen. Heck, if you found a Canadian attorney willing to research this problem, the Raffle would be willing to find a way to reimburse you for a couple of hours of attorney time. Heck, if the Raffle can't figure out how to reimburse you, I'd send you a personal check or do a wire transfer.
The raffle is so time-consuming that this is the second time I've ran out of time to really dig into this issue. I managed to post a plea here on TMC a couple of months ago asking for pointers to attorneys who knew Canadian and/or EU law, but got no response. We love our Canadian friends and would greatly appreciate their help and support with carbon emissions and with the raffle. If you can help me find a path, I'd gladly walk it with you.
At this point, I'd be reluctant to sell you a ticket because I feel as if I'd be taking your money and not giving you in return an adequate opportunity to take delivery on Grand, 2nd or 3rd prizes. I guess I wouldn't be violating the rules we set up for the raffle, but it sure doesn't feel good. I suppose you could win 4th, 5th or 6th and we could find a way to deliver a check to you. But that also doesn't feel good. If you've already somehow bought a ticket, I'm willing to refund it to you at any time before the raffle closes.
I'm sorry I don't have any better ideas.
Alan
bcsteeve
Member
Thanks for the reply Alan,
I made some phone calls. It sounds like you can sell tickets to Canadian citizens without the "Must be a US citizen" rule and they would be entirely exempt from the federal taxes both in the US (more on that next paragraph) and Canada (which doesn't tax windfall awards such as lottery, raffle, game show winnings, casino winnings, inheritance, etc). State taxes, if any, may still apply.
YOU would still pay the withholding tax to the IRS, but the Canadian would then apply to the IRS to get that back. Because of Canadians going to Vegas, this is actually a pretty standard thing.
Now, for me personally... things are different. As a dual Canadian/US citizen I would be on the hook for the taxes. Canada/US have a tax treaty in place, so as long as I pay my taxes here, I don't have to pay there (well, under most normal circumstances... if I was a bajillionaire it would be different). But if I earn income in the US, things get more complicated. Still, if I were to win the grand prize, I'm sure it would be worth that complication. Probably not so for the other prizes, which I'd likely waive.
Then comes the address issue. I can get an address in the states, that's not a problem. I can probably take delivery of the car. What I can't do... is take it back to Canada. Unlike almost every other car, Tesla Model S and X's (and all Roadsters except for specific VINs) are specifically excluded from being able to be imported into Canada. The governing body is called RIVA and they told me this morning that it was at Tesla's request, and that Tesla is the ONLY manufacturer to make that request. Weird.
Given all that, I'm probably going to pass on the ticket. I very much wish you success in what you're trying to do. The idea of valuing carbon is heavily resisted here, which sucks. I'd like Canada to be a leader in climate change action, but that's just not the case. Hopefully (seems unlikely under Trump), the USA can take a leadership role and we can do what we do best... follow.
I made some phone calls. It sounds like you can sell tickets to Canadian citizens without the "Must be a US citizen" rule and they would be entirely exempt from the federal taxes both in the US (more on that next paragraph) and Canada (which doesn't tax windfall awards such as lottery, raffle, game show winnings, casino winnings, inheritance, etc). State taxes, if any, may still apply.
YOU would still pay the withholding tax to the IRS, but the Canadian would then apply to the IRS to get that back. Because of Canadians going to Vegas, this is actually a pretty standard thing.
Now, for me personally... things are different. As a dual Canadian/US citizen I would be on the hook for the taxes. Canada/US have a tax treaty in place, so as long as I pay my taxes here, I don't have to pay there (well, under most normal circumstances... if I was a bajillionaire it would be different). But if I earn income in the US, things get more complicated. Still, if I were to win the grand prize, I'm sure it would be worth that complication. Probably not so for the other prizes, which I'd likely waive.
Then comes the address issue. I can get an address in the states, that's not a problem. I can probably take delivery of the car. What I can't do... is take it back to Canada. Unlike almost every other car, Tesla Model S and X's (and all Roadsters except for specific VINs) are specifically excluded from being able to be imported into Canada. The governing body is called RIVA and they told me this morning that it was at Tesla's request, and that Tesla is the ONLY manufacturer to make that request. Weird.
Given all that, I'm probably going to pass on the ticket. I very much wish you success in what you're trying to do. The idea of valuing carbon is heavily resisted here, which sucks. I'd like Canada to be a leader in climate change action, but that's just not the case. Hopefully (seems unlikely under Trump), the USA can take a leadership role and we can do what we do best... follow.
Hi, @BCSteve,
Your words actually give me hope that next time we can find a way to include Canada in the Carbon Pricing Awareness Raffle. That would have knock-on effects, such as FB and other social media targeted not just to US demographics but also to Canadian demographics.
As for Canadian carbon pricing... what about all the activity in British Columbia?! Carbon pricing work done there a number of years ago has been influential on our work here.
Alan
Your words actually give me hope that next time we can find a way to include Canada in the Carbon Pricing Awareness Raffle. That would have knock-on effects, such as FB and other social media targeted not just to US demographics but also to Canadian demographics.
As for Canadian carbon pricing... what about all the activity in British Columbia?! Carbon pricing work done there a number of years ago has been influential on our work here.
Alan
[Posting this in three threads, Perfect Tesla Raffle, Model 3 in Tesla Raffle, Carbon Pricing Raffle -- apologies, but if anyone does bite on this, we need to move fast, because my wife is in motion and she does NOT dawdle!]
Folks,
Quick question: anyone out there interested in putting decals on their cars for the 2017 raffle? They go on the sides or rear of your car; no harm to car; they advertise the raffle.
Can't mail these things, we think that's a federal felony. So we're taking advantage of pony express-style opportunities. In this case, my wife, Jessica, is driving up to Boston today for some meetings Friday through Monday for Climate XChange, Climate Action Business Association, and maybe some other stuff.
I'm sending this mail out way late, so she's already on her way -- into Connecticut by now.
She's following a typical route, US 95 then I think US 84 up through Connecticut to Massachusetts, and then US 90 East into MA. She'll reverse that route sometime Monday afternoon and/or Tuesday morning.
If you are interested in meeting up with her along the way and getting some decals, please let me know ASAP! Could be today, could be Monday/Tuesday.
Also, if you are around Boston, and willing to come into Climate XChange Headquarters (Old West Church, 131 Cambridge Street, Boston), let me know so we can work out a time.
As for what it looks like....
The decal, as developed by @PeterK (the handsome, labeled one is @PeterK, the other one is some guy who wandered in for a free beer):
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The decal, on the side of @PeterK's X:
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The decal can also be cut into strips, for the rear bumper, which may be best of all, as the people following you will be constantly reminded. I'd post a picture of that, too, but I'm short on time and would have to go edit the picture to blur the license plate. Bad enough that I'm using a pic of @PeterK's car *before* I ask him, don't want to add license plate rudeness on top of that!
Thanks for reading all this!
Alan
Folks,
Quick question: anyone out there interested in putting decals on their cars for the 2017 raffle? They go on the sides or rear of your car; no harm to car; they advertise the raffle.
Can't mail these things, we think that's a federal felony. So we're taking advantage of pony express-style opportunities. In this case, my wife, Jessica, is driving up to Boston today for some meetings Friday through Monday for Climate XChange, Climate Action Business Association, and maybe some other stuff.
I'm sending this mail out way late, so she's already on her way -- into Connecticut by now.
She's following a typical route, US 95 then I think US 84 up through Connecticut to Massachusetts, and then US 90 East into MA. She'll reverse that route sometime Monday afternoon and/or Tuesday morning.
If you are interested in meeting up with her along the way and getting some decals, please let me know ASAP! Could be today, could be Monday/Tuesday.
Also, if you are around Boston, and willing to come into Climate XChange Headquarters (Old West Church, 131 Cambridge Street, Boston), let me know so we can work out a time.
As for what it looks like....
The decal, as developed by @PeterK (the handsome, labeled one is @PeterK, the other one is some guy who wandered in for a free beer):
View attachment 225672
The decal, on the side of @PeterK's X:
View attachment 225673
The decal can also be cut into strips, for the rear bumper, which may be best of all, as the people following you will be constantly reminded.
I'd post a picture of that, too, but I'm short on time and would have to go edit the picture to blur the license plate. Bad enough that I'm using a pic of @PeterK's car *before* I ask him, don't want to add license plate rudeness on top of that!Thanks for reading all this!
Alan
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