Electroman
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I am worried if Elon is succumbing to more gimmick things that add little value but adding another point of failure.
Hoping he was just joking.
Hoping he was just joking.
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As long as it's an option and not a standard item, I don't care since it's not something I would order and, thus, not a potential point of failure for me.I am worried if Elon is succumbing to more gimmick things that add little value but adding another point of failure.
Hoping he was just joking.
Rather than concern for added complexity and points of failure, I'm more worried that some people will complain that their cars did not gain any additional range even though they had been left out in the sun all day. So, yes, for multiple reasons, it's not a good idea.Which is fine for you and me.
But the unsuspecting masses will gleefully pay only $1000 more so they brag to their friends how they are driving on free sun power, until they get a rude awakening forcing them to an SC visit for adding this gimmick.
Believe me I have seen many Leaf owners show their proud puny solar cells to their friends. Honestly I think they generated nothing.
The problem is that the M3 is supposed to be a mass produced vehicle The more physical options the slower the production has to be.As long as it's an option and not a standard item, I don't care since it's not something I would order and, thus, not a potential point of failure for me.
Of course, the Model 3 should be able to drop us off at the airport, go home, and plug back in. So maybe that's a dinosaur concept.
Nearly all of the speculation on the X was eventually proven false at the reveal.
I hope my sarcasm was apparent in that post. Maybe I should have included a winky.
If you gotta pretend you are getting power from your roof, or simply want to show off, why not get a blue tinted Xpel put on the glass roof. Heck, get your magic markers to draw "cells" and "wiring". Maybe WalMart will sell it in a few months! And the best part: It makes almost the same power as those expensive jobs!
My home solar makes, on a *good* day, with 64 panels covering over 600 sq. ft., just about enough lec-tricity to charge my car to 50%. Imagine what I could do with 6 sq. ft.!
I'd love to have it for camping. Depending on how far a national park is from supercharging, a solar roof can be the difference camping a few days and camping a few weeks. Course, that's a moot point if Tesla can get good coast to coast supercharger access, which may happen eventually. More importantly IMO, PV panels can provide for better battery cooling in warmer environments. I'd pay $1,000 extra for a PV panel without blinking if my $10,000 battery pack could last 10% farther/longer.That said, I would be supportive of an integrated solar setup that could cover vampire losses. There are many airport parking lots which are not garaged or covered, and being able to leave one's vehicle parked for extended periods of time without worry would be nice. Of course, the Model 3 should be able to drop us off at the airport, go home, and plug back in. So maybe that's a dinosaur concept.
10%? You would have to leave your car outside for 2 months in sunlight to get a net of 10% on a 100kWh car.I'd love to have it for camping. Depending on how far a national park is from supercharging, a solar roof can be the difference camping a few days and camping a few weeks. Course, that's a moot point if Tesla can get good coast to coast supercharger access, which may happen eventually. More importantly IMO, PV panels can provide for better battery cooling in warmer environments. I'd pay $1,000 extra for a PV panel without blinking if my $10,000 battery pack could last 10% farther/longer.
I think his point was longevity of the pack, not charge percentage. In other words, if the solar could augment the cooling/heating system to manage the pack's temperature when unattended.10%? You would have to leave your car outside for 2 months in sunlight to get a net of 10% on a 100kWh car.
I get exactly what you are saying. I do.I think his point was longevity of the pack, not charge percentage. In other words, if the solar could augment the cooling/heating system to manage the pack's temperature when unattended.
To the point of National Parks, I think a portable/collapsable array would wind up being a more effective option. It generally is when it comes to RVs, anyway. I still don't think you're going to get much either way, but it would definitely stave off vampire and idle losses.
When you are in a location without a plug, it's not the cost that matters. It's just trying to keep your SOC. To use your analogies...I get exactly what you are saying. I do.
I just don't consider what folks refer to a vampire and idle loss - as an actual loss. I've always considered such things as "necessary to the product". To me its like the electricity that my thermostat uses to monitor whether to turn on the furnace or air conditioner in my house. That electricity is just necessary - its not much, however it certainly not a waste.
Its akin to the pilot light in an older oven or furnace - its not wasting gas.
Its akin to the hot water heater in a freezing basement - the heat loss is just a necessary cost
Its akin to the electricity that all of my TV's use - when they are turned off - watching to see if someone uses the remote to do something.. its just a necessary cost.
I think his point was longevity of the pack, not charge percentage. In other words, if the solar could augment the cooling/heating system to manage the pack's temperature when unattended.
To the point of National Parks, I think a portable/collapsable array would wind up being a more effective option. It generally is when it comes to RVs, anyway. I still don't think you're going to get much either way, but it would definitely stave off vampire and idle losses.
I don't have a Model S, but when I get my Model 3, I'm not leaving it at an airport parking lot while away for a long trip. I'll have someone drop me off at the local airport shuttle bus station instead. It's not vampire drain I'm worried about; I just don't want to leave a tempting target for an extended time.I worry when I leave my Model S at the airport for long trips, and I hate to have to check on it and "wake" it up.
Smart move, but I would not take "3 weeks at the airport" to literally. There is a lot of occasions where you may have to leave your car outdoors for an extended period of time without access to a charging plug.I don't have a Model S, but when I get my Model 3, I'm not leaving it at an airport parking lot while away for a long trip. I'll have someone drop me off at the local airport shuttle bus station instead. It's not vampire drain I'm worried about; I just don't want to leave a tempting target for an extended time.