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Model 3 performance vs model 3 [unknown type]

Lowell

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Jul 28, 2020
14
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Milpitas, CA 95035
Yesterday I had a short race with a model 3. I have a 2020 model 3 performance dual motor and the other car was a model 3 I dont know what year but wasn't a performance. So here we are at a stop light. I knew he wanted to test my model 3 out. So on green we took off and I lost. I can feel the accelerator hitting the floor but couldn't get any more speed out of my car. I just had 28% battery remaining but I know that battery remaining wasn't the problem or shouldnt be the problem. Then what was the problem. I have dual motor that supposed to give my car the advantage of any other model 3 that isn't dual motor. What's wrong with my car?
 

jjrandorin

Moderator, Model 3, Tesla Energy Forums
Nov 28, 2018
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Riverside Co. CA
(moderator note: edited thread title because you dont know what type of model 3 it was)
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With that out of the way, you say "it wasnt a performance" but you dont know. Just because it didnt have the red brakes etc, doesnt mean it wasnt a performance. Your thread title said "base" and I changed it because in your own words you say you dont know what it was.

My guess is, you likely lost to a model 3 performance without the performance package (AKA stealth performance), which is EXACTLY the type of model 3 who would want to race another performance model 3 with the performance package on it.

Badge means less than nothing, because many model 3 owners didnt even have their cars badge from the factory (the badge didnt even exist for model 3 performance cars in 2018. I have a performance with the performance package, but my badge is in a drawer in my office, because I picked it up like 6 months later when it was available.

Your low state of charge, and the fact that almost assuredly it was a sleeper is what happened.
 

Lowell

Member
Jul 28, 2020
14
1
Milpitas, CA 95035
At 28% battery I would assume the car isn't nearly as fast as rated. Plus are you sure their car wasn't a dual motor? First thing I'm doing to my car when it arrives is de-badging everything.
Plus at 28% I still can feel the speed of the car but just doesn't make any sense that we didn't even race that long. It was from where we at to the other side of the road and I lost.
 

jjrandorin

Moderator, Model 3, Tesla Energy Forums
Nov 28, 2018
7,810
8,638
Riverside Co. CA
Could have easily been a dual motor 980 car with the boost on it.

Or a dual motor car with the aftermarket ghost upgrade. Fact is, teslas usually dont race other teslas in general, because they both know the speed of the other car. In this case, the other person clearly knew they could hang with this OP, while they suspected the OP might not know what kind of car they had.

One thing for sure though, it was NOT a "base" model 3, for sure. At a minimum, it was likely a dual motor model 3 with performance boost, coupled with OPs low state of charge. Much more likely it was a stealth performance though,
 
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vickh

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Dec 16, 2018
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az
(moderator note: edited thread title because you dont know what type of model 3 it was)
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With that out of the way, you say "it wasnt a performance" but you dont know. Just because it didnt have the red brakes etc, doesnt mean it wasnt a performance. Your thread title said "base" and I changed it because in your own words you say you dont know what it was.

My guess is, you likely lost to a model 3 performance without the performance package (AKA stealth performance), which is EXACTLY the type of model 3 who would want to race another performance model 3 with the performance package on it.

Badge means less than nothing, because many model 3 owners didnt even have their cars badge from the factory (the badge didnt even exist for model 3 performance cars in 2018. I have a performance with the performance package, but my badge is in a drawer in my office, because I picked it up like 6 months later when it was available.

Your low state of charge, and the fact that almost assuredly it was a sleeper is what happened.

hmm I wonder if I can buy these badges for my base ;)
 

jmaddr

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Mar 29, 2019
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876
Florida
At 28 percent we are severely down on power. MPP tested a 18LR, and at 45% charge...it’s down about 75 horsepower compared to 90%. That’s almost SR territory and certainly low enough to be embarrassed by a dual mother LR with or without the boost if its at 90% SOC.


Moral...don’t go hunting at less than 75%
 
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Peteski

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Oct 2, 2017
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At 28 percent we are severely down on power. MPP tested a 18LR, and at 45% charge...it’s down about 75 horsepower compared to 90%. That’s almost SR territory and certainly low enough to be embarrassed by a dual mother LR with or without the boost if its at 90% SOC.


Moral...don’t go hunting at less than 75%
I would say this is the most likely scenario. 28% battery is going to cripple the power significantly. Of course the other car could have been a stealth performance too, or an LR with boost. But I think even a standard LR with a decent state of charge would probably win. The only other thing to consider is weight. Were you carrying passengers or heavy luggage? It all makes a difference to acceleration, although unlikely to be a major factor unless you were fully loaded.
 

Apprunner

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Jul 2, 2019
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So-cal
At 28 percent we are severely down on power. MPP tested a 18LR, and at 45% charge...it’s down about 75 horsepower compared to 90%. That’s almost SR territory and certainly low enough to be embarrassed by a dual mother LR with or without the boost if its at 90% SOC.


Moral...don’t go hunting at less than 75%
At 75%, you’ll still beat the LR with Boost. Around 40-50% is where you even out with a boost full charge.
 

toddkageals

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Dec 8, 2020
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Vinton
I know on my 3 Performance, I can feel the traction control keeping the wheels from spinning at low speed full throttle acceleration. In addition to everything above, tires and surface can play a role, especially from a "dig".
 

Black306

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Oct 14, 2019
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Sacramento
At 28 percent we are severely down on power. MPP tested a 18LR, and at 45% charge...it’s down about 75 horsepower compared to 90%. That’s almost SR territory and certainly low enough to be embarrassed by a dual mother LR with or without the boost if its at 90% SOC.


Moral...don’t go hunting at less than 75%

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An ICE with a full tank or 1/4 tank of gas will make the same power. Not true for an EV.
 

holmgang

Active Member
Sep 9, 2019
1,272
1,273
eu
battery state of charge AND temperature.... if the battery isn't up to temp there would be dots on the power bar indicating less than maximum draw/output available.
 

JulienW

Active Member
Jul 7, 2018
2,565
2,786
Atlanta
... I just had 28% battery remaining but I know that battery remaining wasn't the problem or shouldnt be the problem. Then what was the problem. I have dual motor that supposed to give my car the advantage of any other model 3 that isn't dual motor. What's wrong with my car?
This will give you an idea.

  1. At 90% SoC the Model 3 AWD+ makes an average of 367 kW (492 hp) within the peak power band of 75-125 km/h
  2. At 70% SoC the Model 3 AWD+ makes an average of 355 kW (476 hp) within the peak power band of 71-120 km/h
  3. At 50% SoC the Model 3 AWD+ makes an average of 338 kW (453 hp) within the peak power band of 69-112 km/h
  4. At 30% SoC the Model 3 AWD+ makes an average of 319 kW (428 hp) within the peak power band of 65-105 km/h
  5. At 10% SoC the Model 3 AWD+ makes a peak of 243 kW (326 hp) at 48 km/h, after which it immediately begins to tail off
 

one2many

Member
Aug 16, 2019
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742
germany
This is truly an interesting one. There are a few things guys/gals do not
talk about. One is getting smoked at a stoplight race. The other involves
people you meet after last call at a bar. If I every bottomed out the gas
pedal on my AWD 3, I might end up in another universe, regardless of SoC.
Must be time for a Jack and coke while I reset my brain..
 

lUtriaNt

Member
Mar 16, 2020
620
542
Los Angeles
Yesterday I had a short race with a model 3. I have a 2020 model 3 performance dual motor and the other car was a model 3 I dont know what year but wasn't a performance. So here we are at a stop light. I knew he wanted to test my model 3 out. So on green we took off and I lost. I can feel the accelerator hitting the floor but couldn't get any more speed out of my car. I just had 28% battery remaining but I know that battery remaining wasn't the problem or shouldnt be the problem. Then what was the problem. I have dual motor that supposed to give my car the advantage of any other model 3 that isn't dual motor. What's wrong with my car?
did it hesitate off the line, but then get speed after yall took off? could have also been the obstacle avoidance feature delaying/retarding your start too.
 

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