Model 3 Performance Waiting Room

[nxsynjs]

The Q1 M3P's DO have the Hairpin motor....it output's more torque but it's peak HP has moved further up in the RPM range....
The front and rear power balance curve is different with the hairpin motors.

Again the TFF forums have confirmed that M3P's delivered in Q1 are a unicorn model that have the Ryzen MPU, Hairpin motor and Pan 82kwH.
Tests have been done on them, for power output of both motors vs speed. Approval for this configuration was made and can be seen in the WLTP document's.

It is ONLY M3P's delivered in Q1 2022 that have this configuration. M3P''s delivered last year do not have the Ryzen CPU and hairpin. M3P's delivered in Q2 onwards have the LG battery, Hairpin and Ryzen.

Just checked my 22 M3P delivered in March 22. It has a Ryzen, heated wipers etc and the VIN indicates the hairpin motors (L in position 8) . Scan my Tesla also reveals an 82Kwh battery. No idea what this means in the real world as the only use I can see if on enthusiast forums like this one

 

[milesr3]

 

[sc20]

Mine says 393 kW though (I'm sure it's a lie )

 

[blower]

Just checked my 22 M3P delivered in March 22. It has a Ryzen, heated wipers etc and the VIN indicates the hairpin motors (L in position 8) . Scan my Tesla also reveals an 82Kwh battery. No idea what this means in the real world as the only use I can see if on enthusiast forums like this one

Means everything I said is correct....you have the Panasonic 3L 82Kwh battery, the Ryzen MPU, and the 3D6 Hairpin motor - you have the best all worlds on your M3P and I really wish i was getting your car!. That thing will pull like a train and put down more power than the LG based models and further more can continue putting out maximum power down to 75% SOC where the LG is loosing power output from the first percent drop from 100% SOC as it is entirely limited by the battery max discharge output where your panasonic has a lot more head room in maximum discharge power.

3L with the cat iii higher power motors are not cleared for sale in Europe. They have cat ii. Only the 5L can legally have the cat iii. Consult the other thread if in doubt.

They are cleared for sale, the TFF forum has numerous COC's of delivered cars (in Q1 2022) showing E3LD (pan 82kwh) and 3D6 hairpin motor. The applications for WLTP testing for this configuration were also done last year. As I said, all Q1 delivered M3P's should be of this configuration - Ryzen CPU, Pan 3L 82Kwh bat, 3D6 rear motor....with a WLTP range of 347miles (7 miles more than the LG based models, but 5 miles less than non Ryzen based E3LD cars, as stated before)

 

[delta0]

Means everything I said is correct....you have the Panasonic 3L 82Kwh battery, the Ryzen MPU, and the 3D6 Hairpin motor - you have the best all worlds on your M3P and I really wish i was getting your car!. That thing will pull like a train and put down more power than the LG based models and further more can continue putting out maximum power down to 75% SOC where the LG is loosing power output from the first percent drop from 100% SOC as it is entirely limited by the battery max discharge output where your panasonic has a lot more head room in maximum discharge power.



They are cleared for sale, the TFF forum has numerous COC's of delivered cars (in Q1 2022) showing E3LD (pan 82kwh) and 3D6 hairpin motor. The applications for WLTP testing for this configuration were also done last year. As I said, all Q1 delivered M3P's should be of this configuration - Ryzen CPU, Pan 3L 82Kwh bat, 3D6 rear motor....with a WLTP range of 347miles (7 miles more than the LG based models, but 5 miles less than non Ryzen based E3LD cars, as stated before)

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Not the higher power cat iii. There are 2 variants of the 3D6. Those come with the cat ii. Same power consumption for more power. Means you are going to get the same acceleration regardless. If you look at the battery in isolation then your view is skewed. Completely offsets the difference in battery capacity and power output. Tesla thought this through before they changed the battery.

 

[delta0]

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Mine says 393 kW though (I'm sure it's a lie )

Exactly the same as mine. Told you @blower the latest ones have the higher power motor.

 

[milesr3]

Mine says 393 kW though (I'm sure it's a lie )

Interesting to see the 5L in combination with the cat.3 drive unit.

The maximum net power is just the sum of rated front and rear motor power. We know that the rated power is exceeded, up to 430kW with the 3L and 411kW with the 5L. Any combination of sub-systems will provide the rated performance.

A motor cannot create more power than can be provided by the battery. There may be some subtle differences in the efficiency to convert electrical energy to mechanical, but the 3L typically provides ~20kW more power to the motors than the 5L. The cat.3 drive unit unlikely to be 20/235 = 8.5% more efficient than than the cat.2. Simply because the WLTP range has scaled in proportion with battery capacity with no improvement between v.21 and v.22 certification.

 

[delta0]

Interesting to see the 5L in combination with the cat.3 drive unit.

The maximum net power is just the sum of rated front and rear motor power. We know that the rated power is exceeded, up to 430kW with the 3L and 411kW with the 5L. Any combination of sub-systems will provide the rated performance.

A motor cannot create more power than can be provided by the battery. There may be some subtle differences in the efficiency to convert electrical energy to mechanical, but the 3L typically provides ~20kW more power to the motors than the 5L. The cat.3 drive unit unlikely to be 20/235 = 8.5% more efficient than than the cat.2. Simply because the WLTP range has scaled in proportion with battery capacity with no improvement between v.21 and v.22 certification.

The basis for the efficiency and power is that the cat iii is producing more power output for the same power input I.e. less energy is lost. At a minimum it is giving 393/377 4.2% (if we are crudely comparing the total, it’s higher if we just compare the cat ii to cat iii). It is basically giving more output for the same power input. Even if the battery supplies a bit less more of that input power is being converted to power at the wheels.

 

[craigp]

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Mine says 393 kW though (I'm sure it's a lie )

Other than yours being registered a day earlier, this matches my V5 exactly

 

[milesr3]

At a minimum it is giving 393/377 4.2%

Unfortunately not. The maximum rated (net) mechanical output does not mean that the cat.3 DU produces any more mechanical power, for the same electrical power, than the cat.2 DU.

 

[73henny]

The maximum net power is just the sum of rated front and rear motor power. We know that the rated power is exceeded, up to 430kW with the 3L and 411kW with the 5L. Any combination of sub-systems will provide the rated performance.

Byorn Nyland has seen 452kW (606HP)

 

[delta0]

Unfortunately not. The maximum rated (net) mechanical output does not mean that the cat.3 DU produces any more mechanical power, for the same electrical power, than the cat.2 DU.

The max power consumption is equal to the cat ii so it must be producing more power/has less losses. Equal max power consumption but higher power output. Someone needs to run these cars against each other, maybe like Matt Watson.

 

[milesr3]

If the cat.2 produces (say) 219kW mechanical power from 226kW of electrical power** then how much mechanical power would the cat.3 make?

It can’t be 228kW (4% more) because that’s impossible.

And if the cat.3 was 4% more efficient then the v.22 WLTP range would have been 354 miles.

**assumes 97% efficiency

 

[delta0]

If the cat.2 produces (say) 219kW mechanical power from 226kW of electrical power** then how much mechanical power would the cat.3 make?

It can’t be 228kW (4% more) because that’s impossible.

And if the cat.3 was 4% more efficient then the v.22 WLTP range would have been 354 miles.

**assumes 97% efficiency

The cat iii is 235 kw. We only have 1 data point, max input power (same as cat ii) and max output power (higher than cat iii). We need to see the full power consumption to power output curve across the entire rpm/speed range. Also I doubt the cat ii is anything like 97% across it’s entire rpm range.

 

[FrancoM82]

Actually I'm curious, now that I've picked up my car, does that mean I'm not welcome in the "waiting room" any more?!!

Just remind us what a launch feels like daily please.

 

[FrancoM82]

New EDD for me, like others the window is tightening. Latest is August 15 - Sept 14. Could someone update the table with my new info please?

 

[FrancoM82]

Removed my row

User	exterior	interior	autopilot	collection	order date	delivery estimate	vin
Mac2022	black	black		NI	13/12/2021	27/06/2022
Snoopcat	blue	black			Jan	22/06/2022	5649XX
ND22	red	black	FSD	Birmingham	10/02/2022	28/06/2022	5698XX
M3P75	blue	black	AP	Bluewater	10/02/2022	22/06/2022	5650XX
roundexplosion	silver	white		Bristol	12/02/2022	23/06/2022	5617XX
delta0	silver	black	AP	Staines	14/02/2022	23/06/2022	5733XX
sc20	white	white	AP	Staines	Mid Feb	24/06/2022	5613XX
craigp	white	white	AP	Birmingham	20/02/2022	25/06/2022	5704XX
Antlers1968	silver	black	AP	Bluewater	21/02/2022	15/08/2022 - 14/09/2022
Kevmar123	red	black	AP	Manchester	23/02/2022	22/06/2022	9913XX
SlavaK	black	black	AP	Glasgow	04/03/2022	October-December 2022
muhsec	silver	black	AP	Delivery	04/03/2022	23/06/2022
Dontastic	blue	black	AP	Glasgow	07/03/2022	'Mid August'
seadog	white	black	AP	Glasgow	15/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
thestarkfactor	blue	white	EAP	Glasgow	16/03/2022	Was June (now missing)
JemFP2	black	black	AP	Bristol	16/03/2022	15/08/2022 - 14/09/2022
Bnesbit	blue	black	AP	Newcastle	16/03/2022	09/09/2022
kevincredible	black	white	AP	Staines	17/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
Imran145	red	white	AP	Manchester	17/03/2022	18/08/2022 - 02/10/2022
mnijjM3P	red	white	FSD	Birmingham	22/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
trouter	silver	black	FSD	Manchester (Trafford)	26/03/2022	25/08/2022 - 09/10/2022
MThreeOwner	white	white	FSD	Staines	28/03/2022	23/06/2022
Blower	black	black		Bristol	30/03/2022	25/08/2022 - 09/10/2022
prizos	black	black	AP	Newcastle	02/04/2022	17/08/2022-16/09/2022
Mark62	silver	black	FSD	Southampton	02/04/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
FrancoM82	white	white		Southampton	09/04/2022	24/08/2022 - 08/10/2022
Waser	black	white	AP	Bluewater	18/04/2022
Belly Buster	silver	black		Birmingham	12/05/2022	20/09/2022 - 04/11/2022
sl48	silver	black	AP	Southampton	13/05/2022	20/9 - 4/11 2022
Peige	White	White		Southampton	01/06/2022	October-December 2022
Chris CG	red	white	AP	Manchester	04/06/2022	October-December 2022

Gone but not forgotten.

 

[JemFP2]

Updated

User	exterior	interior	autopilot	collection	order date	delivery estimate	vin
Mac2022	black	black		NI	13/12/2021	27/06/2022
Snoopcat	blue	black			Jan	22/06/2022	5649XX
ND22	red	black	FSD	Birmingham	10/02/2022	28/06/2022	5698XX
M3P75	blue	black	AP	Bluewater	10/02/2022	22/06/2022	5650XX
roundexplosion	silver	white		Bristol	12/02/2022	23/06/2022	5617XX
delta0	silver	black	AP	Staines	14/02/2022	23/06/2022	5733XX
sc20	white	white	AP	Staines	Mid Feb	24/06/2022	5613XX
craigp	white	white	AP	Birmingham	20/02/2022	25/06/2022	5704XX
Antlers1968	silver	black	AP	Bluewater	21/02/2022	15/08/2022 - 14/09/2022
Kevmar123	red	black	AP	Manchester	23/02/2022	22/06/2022	9913XX
SlavaK	black	black	AP	Glasgow	04/03/2022	October-December 2022
muhsec	silver	black	AP	Delivery	04/03/2022	23/06/2022
Dontastic	blue	black	AP	Glasgow	07/03/2022	'Mid August'
seadog	white	black	AP	Glasgow	15/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
thestarkfactor	blue	white	EAP	Glasgow	16/03/2022	Was June (now missing)
JemFP2	black	black	AP	Bristol	16/03/2022	15/08/2022 - 14/09/2022
Bnesbit	blue	black	AP	Newcastle	16/03/2022	09/09/2022
kevincredible	black	white	AP	Staines	17/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
Imran145	red	white	AP	Manchester	17/03/2022	18/08/2022 - 02/10/2022
mnijjM3P	red	white	FSD	Birmingham	22/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
trouter	silver	black	FSD	Manchester (Trafford)	26/03/2022	25/08/2022 - 09/10/2022
MThreeOwner	white	white	FSD	Staines	28/03/2022	23/06/2022
Blower	black	black		Bristol	30/03/2022	25/08/2022 - 09/10/2022
prizos	black	black	AP	Newcastle	02/04/2022	17/08/2022-16/09/2022
Mark62	silver	black	FSD	Southampton	02/04/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
FrancoM82	white	white		Southampton	09/04/2022	15/08/2022 - 14/09/2022
Waser	black	white	AP	Bluewater	18/04/2022
Belly Buster	silver	black		Birmingham	12/05/2022	20/09/2022 - 04/11/2022
sl48	silver	black	AP	Southampton	13/05/2022	20/9 - 4/11 2022
Peige	White	White		Southampton	01/06/2022	October-December 2022
Chris CG	red	white	AP	Manchester	04/06/2022	October-December 2022

 

[delta0]

Can probably start removing some of the ones that have collected their cars. We’re not waiting anymore

 

[Belly Buster]

Like others, date has come in a bit.

User	exterior	interior	autopilot	collection	order date	delivery estimate	vin
Mac2022	black	black		NI	13/12/2021	27/06/2022
Snoopcat	blue	black			Jan	22/06/2022	5649XX
ND22	red	black	FSD	Birmingham	10/02/2022	28/06/2022	5698XX
M3P75	blue	black	AP	Bluewater	10/02/2022	22/06/2022	5650XX
roundexplosion	silver	white		Bristol	12/02/2022	23/06/2022	5617XX
delta0	silver	black	AP	Staines	14/02/2022	23/06/2022	5733XX
sc20	white	white	AP	Staines	Mid Feb	24/06/2022	5613XX
craigp	white	white	AP	Birmingham	20/02/2022	25/06/2022	5704XX
Antlers1968	silver	black	AP	Bluewater	21/02/2022	15/08/2022 - 14/09/2022
Kevmar123	red	black	AP	Manchester	23/02/2022	22/06/2022	9913XX
SlavaK	black	black	AP	Glasgow	04/03/2022	October-December 2022
muhsec	silver	black	AP	Delivery	04/03/2022	23/06/2022
Dontastic	blue	black	AP	Glasgow	07/03/2022	'Mid August'
seadog	white	black	AP	Glasgow	15/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
thestarkfactor	blue	white	EAP	Glasgow	16/03/2022	Was June (now missing)
JemFP2	black	black	AP	Bristol	16/03/2022	15/08/2022 - 14/09/2022
Bnesbit	blue	black	AP	Newcastle	16/03/2022	09/09/2022
kevincredible	black	white	AP	Staines	17/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
Imran145	red	white	AP	Manchester	17/03/2022	18/08/2022 - 02/10/2022
mnijjM3P	red	white	FSD	Birmingham	22/03/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
trouter	silver	black	FSD	Manchester (Trafford)	26/03/2022	25/08/2022 - 09/10/2022
MThreeOwner	white	white	FSD	Staines	28/03/2022	23/06/2022
Blower	black	black		Bristol	30/03/2022	25/08/2022 - 09/10/2022
prizos	black	black	AP	Newcastle	02/04/2022	17/08/2022-16/09/2022
Mark62	silver	black	FSD	Southampton	02/04/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
FrancoM82	white	white		Southampton	09/04/2022	15/08/2022 - 14/09/2022
Waser	black	white	AP	Bluewater	18/04/2022
Belly Buster	silver	black		Birmingham	12/05/2022	16/08/2022 - 15/09/2022
sl48	silver	black	AP	Southampton	13/05/2022	20/9 - 4/11 2022
Peige	White	White		Southampton	01/06/2022	October-December 2022
Chris CG	red	white	AP	Manchester	04/06/2022	October-December 2022