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Model 3 Possible Configuration and Options, what will you order?

SureValla

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It's interesting to note that a lot of people's #1 upgrade is the longer range (mine as well). This seems to point to the fact that while Tesla is the best game in town when it comes to batteries future owners still have range anxiety. However, I've heard some rumblings from current owners that their pre-purchase range anxiety was unfounded now that they've had the car a while. Can anyone weigh in on this?
 

tga

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Apr 8, 2014
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Is there somewhere i can read up on this or a detailed post about this. I'm trying to understand the differences between all the chargers onboard vs. the DC charger (i assume supercharging). It's all very confusing and the Tesla website isn't much help. I live in a Condo so for me i don't think i can set up a charger in my place and i want to know what i need for my car to access in public spaces and what options i have.
The term "charger" often gets misused when talking about EV's. A charger is a device that takes AC power (typ 120V or 240V) and converts it to high voltage DC (HVDC) at the proper voltage and current to safely charge the battery. You never see the charger; it is always built into the car.

The thing on the wall of your garage is not a charger. The proper term is "EVSE" (electric vehicle supply equipment), but people often (lazily) refer to it as a charger. The EVSE is basically a glorified extension cord with an electronic switch in it. Tesla's UMC and HPWC are both EVSE's. When you plug the EVSE cable into the car, the electronics in the EVSE and the car's internal charger communicate. The EVSE tells the car's charger how many amps the car can safely draw (the car may draw less, but not more than, what the EVSE tells it), and the car tells the EVSE it is properly connected and requests that the EVSE turn on the power (the EVSE connector is never energized until connected with a car and the car says go).

Charging with AC power using the car's internal chargers is called level 1 (using 120V) or level 2 (using 240V), aka L1 or L2

DC Fast Charging (DCFC), as called level 3 (or L3) charging, charges the car at a much higher rate than the onboard chargers can, using a very high power AC source (277/480V 3 phase AC). Supercharging is Tesla's brand for L3 DCFC. When DCFC, the car's internal charger is not used. Instead, an external, high power battery charger is used to feed the car's battery externally. The car's battery management system (BMS) communicates directly with the external charging station and instructs it on how much voltage and amperage to supply at any moment.

ChaDeMo and SAE-CCS are the two main industry standards for DCFC. The use a different set of electrical contacts for the L3 DC input than the L1/L2 AC input. Tesla's system is based on CCS, but is unique in that they use the same input pins for AC and DC charging. The "Supercharging hardware" in the car is little more than a set of contactors (relays) that switch the input power jack from feeding AC to the on-board charger or bypassing the charger and feeding HVDC directly to the battery.

Since the "Supercharging hardware" in the car is so simple, Tesla includes it on all cars, making "enabling Supercharging" entirely a software-controlled option. I see no reason they would do anything different for the Model 3.

As to what do you need for charging at public stations -
  • If it's a public Tesla HPWC (240V L2), just plug in. The car will charge in a few hours.
  • If it's a public non-Tesla L1 or L2 station (aka J1772, the SAE spec #), you just need the adapter provided with the car. Other than that, it's just like using a HPWC (possibly slower).
  • If it's a Tesla Supercharger, just plug in. The car will charge in a few minutes.
  • If it's a Chademo station, you need a $450 optional adapter. Chademo is slower than Supercharging, due to limits on the charging stations
  • If it's an SAE-CCS station, you're out of luck. No adapter exists yet. As more stations come on line, Tesla may make an adapter.
 
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Doug_G

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This was posted on a local car forum. I have no idea where it came from:

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pmich80

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@tga Thanks you for taking the time to share and explain all this technology. I'll have to read it several times though to fully grasp it all. I happen to live near a Chademo station (L3) so i assume i'll be purchasing the adapter to get the fastest charge possible. Based on what you said, i assume having a Dual Charger won't help for use on this specific charger since it feeds directly into the battery. We do have several L2 chargers around my area and in Canada so I wonder if a dual charger would be a good idea.
 

pmich80

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Mar 21, 2016
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This was posted on a local car forum. I have no idea where it came from:

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That's a pretty big jump for 35K to 60K.
But that fact that Supercharging is including is great to hear if it's in fact true. The range of the battery for a 66kWh is impressive on this vehicle. I'd definitely go towards the middle option
 

ModelNforNerd

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Apr 17, 2015
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It's been discussed here before. It is just some guess-spec, and completely off. TM3 will not get 220 miles EPA on a 44 kWh battery-pack :p

Maybe not in a single-motor config......

honestly, I think they'll try to get to round numbers in the battery pack naming convention, so on this chart, expect maybe 45 or 50, and a 70?

Will be exciting to finally find out.
 

SageBrush

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May 7, 2015
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It's been discussed here before. It is just some guess-spec, and completely off. TM3 will not get 220 miles EPA on a 44 kWh battery-pack :p
If 44 kWh was usable capacity and range was NEDC (at a very sedate 200 kWh/mile -- say 60 mph (100 kph),) the numbers sound about right.
 

tga

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Apr 8, 2014
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New Hampshire
@tga Thanks you for taking the time to share and explain all this technology. I'll have to read it several times though to fully grasp it all. I happen to live near a Chademo station (L3) so i assume i'll be purchasing the adapter to get the fastest charge possible. Based on what you said, i assume having a Dual Charger won't help for use on this specific charger since it feeds directly into the battery.
Correct since the internal chargers are bypassed during DCFC (Chademo, Supercharging, or CCS - if an adapter were to be offered), adding dual chargers on the S (or high-current single charger on the X) doesn't effect DCFC times.

We do have several L2 chargers around my area and in Canada so I wonder if a dual charger would be a good idea.
If I lived in Canada and planned to use any of Sun Country Highway's high current L2 stations (many go up to 80A max delivered), I'd probably spring for the dual chargers on an S, 72 amp high current single charger on the X, or whatever may be offered on the 3.

(The X doesn't offer dual chargers, instead the offer 2 single charger options - base @ 48A max, optional upgrade @ 72A max)
 

ModelNforNerd

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Apr 17, 2015
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Correct since the internal chargers are bypassed during DCFC (Chademo, Supercharging, or CCS - if an adapter were to be offered), adding dual chargers on the S (or high-current single charger on the X) doesn't effect DCFC times.


If I lived in Canada and planned to use any of Sun Country Highway's high current L2 stations, I'd probably spring for the dual chargers on an S, 72 amp high current single charger on the X, or whatever may be offered on the 3.

(The X doesn't offer dual chargers, instead the offer 2 single charger options - base @ 48A max, optional upgrade @ 72A max)


I'm hoping that Tesla, or really anyone...fills in what I call the "dark triangle" in Virginia, between Richmond, South Hill, and the Lexington SC. (In-laws live RIGHT in the middle of that triangle....)

So until there's a reliable DCFC station in that area, I'll likely spring for a dual/upgraded charger in the Model 3, if it's offered.
 

Mad Hungarian

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Sep 25, 2015
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Thanks. I was wondering where the heck it came from.
Although many have taken issue with some of the assumptions used in the article - especially cell and pack size vs. range - I thought it overall to be a well thought-out exercise in what the car could be, especially given the utter vacuum of info when it was written almost a year ago.
 

model3fan

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Sep 14, 2015
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Philadelphia, PA
This thread depresses me a bit.

My only add ons will likely be cold weather package, maybe pano roof, and maybe AP.

All you guys adding all these options means even if I'm first in line on 31st at my local store on east coast, I'll be way at the end of the line.

PS - I am assuming it will be standard to hookup with Android and iOS per Tesla planning to allow app mirroring from Android to center consoles. I think I'd rather have a mirror of my cell phone for Maps, Spotify, and Podcasts, rather than using Tesla's apps.
 

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