Model 3 Road Noise

[enemji]

My only concern is the warning label associated with the product. under the product description in the listing on Amazon.

DANGER	All ceramic fiber products have a hazard communication warning label and prop 65 warning for airborne fiber inhalation. Please consult the Safety Data Sheet for more information.
HAZARD STATEMENT	Prolonged and repeated exposure to ceramic fiber dust is suspected of causing cancer and other lung damage. May cause skin and eye irritation.
PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENT	When handling ceramic fiber we recommend protective gloves, safety glasses and long sleeve clothing. Avoid creating airborne dust, by only using hand tools. Frequently clean the work area with HEPA filtered vacuum or wet sweeping to minimize the accumulation of dust. Do not use compressed air for clean-up. Avoid breathing the dust and if necessary, wear an approved respirator mask.
SAFETY DATA SHEET	Upon request we can provide the full SDS sheet for these products.

Probably a bit over dramatic on the part of the manufacture to state this (prop 65), but it should be noted. I wish we could find a more natural fiber that worked just as well. Maybe sheep's wool? It is used a lot for insulating Sprinter camper vans and others.

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LOL - yes. It is enclosed behind the seat and not open to anyone. Otherwise I would not do it.

 

[exsibian]

what I did do is play road noise on my sound system at home and took different materials to find out which one works the bes

Just to confirm, does the mat under your pedals have a 2” thick foam? Mine does. If not, you may want to put that fiber mat there under the carpet.

Thank you for sharing this very valuable information! I plan to do the insulation over the week-end after I receive the materials...
I have a 2018 M3 (Nov build), you're saying there should be some foam insulation under the carpet below the pedals? We're not talking about the mats but the actual carpet?

 

[enemji]

Thank you for sharing this very valuable information! I plan to do the insulation over the week-end after I receive the materials...
I have a 2018 M3 (Nov build), you're saying there should be some foam insulation under the carpet below the pedals? We're not talking about the mats but the actual carpet?

Yes. Too bad I can only slide my fingers in and feel it. Can’t take a real picture of it without removing the whole carpet.

 

[XPsionic]

Yes. Too bad I can only slide my fingers in and feel it. Can’t take a real picture of it without removing the whole carpet.

https://www.amazon.com/Frost-King-CF1-Multi-Purpose-Insulation/dp/B004Y6SX1Y

Do you think this type of insulation would work just as well as the ceramic fiber? I don't really know my materials vs sound attenuation well enough to tell. I'm wondering if this would be a safer alternative so there's no little bits of ceramic fiber dust overtime in the vehicle (even though there shouldn't be much dust at all since they're installed behind the wheel well panels)

 

[enemji]

https://www.amazon.com/Frost-King-CF1-Multi-Purpose-Insulation/dp/B004Y6SX1Y

Do you think this type of insulation would work just as well as the ceramic fiber? I don't really know my materials vs sound attenuation well enough to tell. I'm wondering if this would be a safer alternative so there's no little bits of ceramic fiber dust overtime in the vehicle (even though there shouldn't be much dust at all since they're installed behind the wheel well panels)

That is horrible. I tested that too.

 

[enemji]

https://www.amazon.com/Frost-King-CF1-Multi-Purpose-Insulation/dp/B004Y6SX1Y

Do you think this type of insulation would work just as well as the ceramic fiber? I don't really know my materials vs sound attenuation well enough to tell. I'm wondering if this would be a safer alternative so there's no little bits of ceramic fiber dust overtime in the vehicle (even though there shouldn't be much dust at all since they're installed behind the wheel well panels)

https://www.amazon.com/Frost-King-CF1-Multi-Purpose-Insulation/dp/B004Y6SX1Y

Do you think this type of insulation would work just as well as the ceramic fiber? I don't really know my materials vs sound attenuation well enough to tell. I'm wondering if this would be a safer alternative so there's no little bits of ceramic fiber dust overtime in the vehicle (even though there shouldn't be much dust at all since they're installed behind the wheel well panels)

Also tested these

Useless for what I wanted to feel and voice my car like - a Mercedes.

 

[XPsionic]

Also tested these
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Useless for what I wanted to feel and voice my car like - a Mercedes.

Hehe, awesome that you tested the exact material already That Ceramic fiber wouldn't work in the front fender section in place of the PE foam I suppose? Guess it'd look strange being white and might retain water?

 

[enemji]

…(even though there shouldn't be much dust at all since they're installed behind the wheel well panels)

Exactly and not that anybody is ever going to be opening those panels anytime in the future too

 

[enemji]

Hehe, awesome that you tested the exact material already That Ceramic fiber wouldn't work in the front fender section in place of the PE foam I suppose? Guess it'd look strange being white and might retain water?

Right. That is open to the weather and fiber insulation would get soggy and limp.

 

[enemji]

You probably have more carcinogens flying in the air than what will ever escape from that wheel well. 🤷🏽‍♂️

 

[enemji]

https://www.amazon.com/Frost-King-CF1-Multi-Purpose-Insulation/dp/B004Y6SX1Y

Do you think this type of insulation would work just as well as the ceramic fiber? I don't really know my materials vs sound attenuation well enough to tell. I'm wondering if this would be a safer alternative so there's no little bits of ceramic fiber dust overtime in the vehicle (even though there shouldn't be much dust at all since they're installed behind the wheel well panels)

you maybe better off using the fiberglass insulation from Home Depot if you fear the ceramic carcinogens.

 

[enemji]

https://www.amazon.com/Frost-King-CF1-Multi-Purpose-Insulation/dp/B004Y6SX1Y

Do you think this type of insulation would work just as well as the ceramic fiber? I don't really know my materials vs sound attenuation well enough to tell. I'm wondering if this would be a safer alternative so there's no little bits of ceramic fiber dust overtime in the vehicle (even though there shouldn't be much dust at all since they're installed behind the wheel well panels)

Look at this. I am at a garage where they have the Mercedes opened up and what is Mercedes using? Same thing!!!! Ceramic Wool.

 

[3P TGV]

Another possible material to use is rockwool insulation. It is mineral based insulation that they use both for sound control in interior walls (specific product) and R-value insulation for walls and attics (also specific product). Can't find it for a reasonable price on Amazon but Lowes sells it in the US. The stuff apparently is better and safer than fiberglass insulation.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/ROCKWOOL-SAFE-n-SOUND-R-Stone-Wool-Batt-Insulation-with-Sound-Barrier-15-25-in-W-x-47-in-L/3394032

 

[enemji]

Another possible material to use is rockwool insulation. It is mineral based insulation that they use both for sound control in interior walls (specific product) and R-value insulation for walls and attics (also specific product). Can't find it for a reasonable price on Amazon but Lowes sells it in the US. The stuff apparently is better and safer than fiberglass insulation.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/ROCKWOOL-SAFE-n-SOUND-R-Stone-Wool-Batt-Insulation-with-Sound-Barrier-15-25-in-W-x-47-in-L/3394032

Yes!!! I wanted to try that first and foremost but price and availability made me go for something else and I ended up with Ceramic Wool which is the choice for car firewall even in Mercedes as I found out 2 days after my install just by 🍀 luck.

 

[enemji]

Please continue the discussion on the new “solved” thread.

Solved: Road Noise & Front Wind Noise

Through the last few months, I have been watching and reading up the various posts regarding the many ways many of you all have attempted, as well as the various kits available online, to reduce if not eliminate road noise and wind noise from the Model3. After reviewing all those posts and...

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[drdumont]

I too tried Enemji's fix. Used some foam board I had lying around and put some in the lower trunk and the frunk. WOW, what a difference. Can't thank you enough Enemji reduced road noise by 80%.

Foam board? Like the foam sandwiched between cardboard that you can get from Office Depot and the like?

 

[PACEMD]

Foam board? Like the foam sandwiched between cardboard that you can get from Office Depot and the like?

I think it's more like those new McFoam sandwiches from Mickey D's we keep hearing so much about.........

 

[alset3000]

So here are the 3 items I have done:

1. Added flat weatherstrip to the window gasket
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2. Added Z-weatherstrip to the front door edge along the A-Pillar
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3. Added closed cell foam behind the front fender along the A-Pillar
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Can you provide more info (link) on the flat weather stripping? I have air coming in about 4" down the b-pillar from the corner "triangle" area. The seal isn't well supported by the car until it gets further down the b-pillar.

thanks

 

[enemji]

Can you provide more info (link) on the flat weather stripping? I have air coming in about 4" down the b-pillar from the corner "triangle" area. The seal isn't well supported by the car until it gets further down the b-pillar.

thanks

This should help…

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