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Model 3 second best selling car in the UK in 2021
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Like you say, its all opinions etc. I've had my Tesla for 2 months and have to say its the best car I've had, I love just looking at it, let alone driving it. It's also saving me a fortune and I have no worries about going on long journeys. I just get in the car and go. With other EV's I'd have to worry about where I'm charging etc. Petrol cars I'd be worrying about cost too. Yes the tesla has its problems, but on the whole, I can't see me going back to another ICE car any time soon.
Mr H
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Just to clarify this point a bit:
As I understand it, at a busy Supercharger where Tesla restricts the max state of charge, it will reset the max charge percentage _after you plug in_.
But you can increase the max state of charge after that.
At least one poster here was caught out by it, having explicitly adjusted the max state of charge before plugging in.
Definitely not the best car I’ve had, it’s up there but too many little niggles to top the bill. The reason I say EV6 is it’s Hyundai family, wife drives a Kona E which is much more accurate with the WLTP figure to what it actually does. I find the ranges quoted by Tesla to be pretty fictitious nearly up there with VW emissions
Oh interesting. I have to say though, when I put the sat nav in, it is normally within a few percent on its estimate on how much battery I have left. I've got so used to it already that I trust it without checking anything else.Definitely not the best car I’ve had, it’s up there but too many little niggles to top the bill. The reason I say EV6 is it’s Hyundai family, wife drives a Kona E which is much more accurate with the WLTP figure to what it actually does. I find the ranges quoted by Tesla to be pretty fictitious nearly up there with VW emissions
Yes, the car will only make a significant error if the road conditions are very obviously at the more extreme end ... such that you would notice and make allowance yourself.
Range estimate using the energy graph is pretty good. The dumb range used on the main screen with the battery icon should be ignored ad it doesn’t take your driving history into account
While the accuracy of Tesla vs eg Kona can be questioned, once you know what you’re getting then it’s fine. I’d read up in advance to know what I’m buying and be happy that regardless of WLTP or not it’s one of the most efficient cars out there
While the accuracy of Tesla vs eg Kona can be questioned, once you know what you’re getting then it’s fine. I’d read up in advance to know what I’m buying and be happy that regardless of WLTP or not it’s one of the most efficient cars out there
Cars driven at 70MPH in the real world. InsideEvs test. It's not the worst difference (range) but it isn't the best either. I reckon Lucid will take a bite out of Tesla IF they finally get to full production (not just the Air coming out). I'll concede on current efficiency though before someone jumps on that lol.
| Vehicle | Price | Real Range (Miles) | EPA Range (Miles) | Difference | Efficiency (mi/kWh) |
| 2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition Range | $169,000 | 500 | 520 | -4.0% | 4.30 |
| 2021 Tesla Model 3 AWD | $48,990 | 310 | 353 | -12.2% | 4.25 |
| 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid w/21" Arachnid | $134,490 | 300 | 348 | -12.0% | 3.30 |
| 2021 Porsche Taycan RWD | $85,470* | 293 297 | 225 225 | +30.0% +32.0% | 3.49 3.50 |
| 2019 Tesla Model 3 AWD | $47,990 | 290 | 322 | -10.0% | 4.25 |
| 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E California Route 1 Edition | $50,400 | 287 | 305 | -6.0% | 3.30 |
| 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E AWD Extended Range | $55,300 | 285 | 270 | +5.5% | 3.30 |
| 2020 Porsche Taycan 4S | $103,800* | 278 | 203 | +36.9% | 3.32 |
| 2020 Tesla Model Y AWD | $49,990 | 276 | 316 | -12.7% | 3.85 |
| 2021 Porsche Taycan 4 Cross Turismo | $93,700 | 252 | 215 | +17.2% | 3.10 |
| 2021 Porsche Taycan Turbo Cross Turismo | $153,500 | 246 | 204 | +20.6% | 2.92 |
| 2020 Hyundai Kona EV | $37,190 | 238 | 258 | -7.8% | 3.90 |
| 2021 Volkswagen ID.4 First Edition | $43,995 | 234 | 250 | -6.4% | 3.00 |
| 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 AWD SEL 19" Wheels | $45,900 | 227 | 256 | -11.3% | 3.10 |
| 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E AWD Standard Range | $50,300 | 226 | 211 | +7.1% | 3.30 |
| 2020 Chevrolet Bolt EV | $36,620 | 226 | 259 | -12.7% | 3.40 |
| 2021 Polestar Polestar 2 | $59,990 | 226 | 233 | -3.1% | 3.12 |
| 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 AWD Limited 20" Wheels | $54,500 | 195 | 256 | -24.0% | 2.70 |
| 2020 Nissan LEAF SL + | $43,900 | 190 | 215 | -11.6% | 3.40 |
| 2019 Audi e-tron | $74,800 | 188 | 204 | -7.9% | 2.30 |
| 2020 Hyundai Ioniq EV | $33,045 | 171 | 170 | +0.6% | 4.50 |
| 2019 BMW i3s BEV | $47,650 | 141 | 153 | -7.8% | 3.60 |
| 2020 BMW i3s REx | $51,500 | 126 | 126 | 0.0% | 3.50 |
| 2020 MINI Cooper SE | $29,990 | 108 | 110 | -1.8% | 3.70 |
| 2015 Chevy Spark EV | $25,995 | 63 | 82 | -23.2% | 3.50 |
| 2018 smart Electric Drive | $28,750 | 51 | 57 | -10.5% | 3.40 |
UkNorthampton
TSLA - 12+ startups in 1
Car manufacturers have to use the standard in the region they are selling in. It's not up to them. Some manufacturers run tests themselves according to the standard but I think it's unlikely any of them would risk being caught out after the emissions scandal, especially as EV ranges are so closely observed.
Petrol & Diesel standards, emission and ranges are likewise inaccurate.
If someone is concerned that a car's NEDC / WLTP / EPA range doesn't match "real world" (and no 2 people drive alike, weather, altitude, road surfaces vary), then it's for them to change the standard (unlikely) or to realise the nuances. Same as using a diesel for short trips in winter or stop go traffic vs long distance, steady driving.
Bigger wheels will harm range. Aero covers help. Higher tyre pressures help range. Bjorn Nyland results suggest (surprisingly) that some winter tyres help range.
EPA testing can use 1-5 cycles (or at least EPA WANTED 5 cycles but settled for less as car makers argued it was onerous). Most EV makers use 1 cycle and formulas are used to derive everything. Tesla and Audi (perhaps more now) use 2 cycle (according to an old article I read).
EPA test lasts until car runs out of motive power. Teslas have a reserve, which some say is larger than most. Some of the other testing I've seen stops when the INDICATED battery is 0%, short-changing Tesla.
Because Tesla's powertrains are so efficient, it's possible that the dyno's "coastdown" - road load calibration is part of this.
Try this for an impartial view - EV spreadsheet V4
Big difference between LR and Performance. The figures Tesla quotes for LR and P are often the same (depends on market), however, that's due to the testing rules counting them as the same vehicle. You can always put aftermarket wheels (maybe even 19" Tesla ones) on a P to get longer range. tesla's own 18" won't fit but others do. P tyres might be stickier too, they are probably stiffer and less giving which absorbs energy (needlessly for a road car). I'd imagine BMW and other makers also don't do MPG figures with each wheel/trim type.
From the Uk site, shows different ranges for LR and P
I wonder if the bottom buffer is part of Teslas BMS otherwise wouldn’t it be easier to have 0% as properly empty and only a small 5 mile or so crawling buffer? You’d have more usable range by maybe 10-15 miles
I’m also curious how some of the newer cars have high speed charging to quite high state of charge. Are they risking degradation or reserving more gross capacity at the top of the battery to compensate?
I’m also curious how some of the newer cars have high speed charging to quite high state of charge. Are they risking degradation or reserving more gross capacity at the top of the battery to compensate?
UkNorthampton
TSLA - 12+ startups in 1
You're welcome. Do you have 18 or 19 inch wheels? Someone MUST have done a comparison. I CAN do 300 miles in my 18" LR, but it depends on speed. Any traffic on long runs extends range, it's aero - high-speed, rain, cold air that reduces range. Short winter trips uses up battery fast (other threads cover this in detail), but mainly because of pre-heating etc.
Tesla may have removed regen setting of LOW on SR+, not sure if still on LR, mine will be standard.
On 18’s with aero covers. I noticed last night that the “crawl / roll” functions can’t be selected again. I was going to have a play with them lol.
I tend to do 1 long journey to/from work (work away from home) then short journeys whilst there.
UkNorthampton
TSLA - 12+ startups in 1
If range is significantly down from expected, there is a very small chance of brakes or something else dragging or causing a problem. Unlikely.
If range is paramount, I do manual heating. Lower cabin temp and heated seats to 2 or 3 (usually 2). Heating people vs space makes a big difference. Bjorn's spreadsheet is normal air con at 21 Celsius.
UkNorthampton
TSLA - 12+ startups in 1
Travelling long distances in winter in Germany, in unrestricted zones, do as the Germans / Bjorn Nyland does. Hammer it, overtake well, avoid staying in overtaking lane and charge more often. I/family still need more breaks for us than for charging.
UK is a bit different. Not long distances (in general), but a lot of traffic makes for time consuming travel, going a few miles out of your way for a Supercharger can be slow. Possibly why heating people through seats is better than heating space, eeking out a few extra miles, avoiding Supercharger pre-heat energy use and dipping speed down for a part of the journey might be quicker. Depends on journey, familiarity of car and journey, ease of getting to a Supercharger if not directly en-route. Sometimes I have charged just because I needed a break anyway.
In Germany/Europe I didn't have to bother. Plus we were on holiday, so Supercharger cost was fine (later found out it cost a pittance due to 1000 miles referral and some chargers seemed to be on free vend). Model 3 absolutely ate up distances, effortlessly.
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