JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I'm wondering if they went cheap on the gears and need extra good lubrication to ensure long life.
Highly unlikely. Thinking about it more this may simply be an improvement to eventually allow the million mile warranty.
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I'm wondering if they went cheap on the gears and need extra good lubrication to ensure long life.
I'm wondering if they went cheap on the gears and need extra good lubrication to ensure long life. Also a cheaper material would potentially be more prone to spalling/flaking material off, so it would be prudent to have a filter and oil circulation system in that case.
Total guesses though
Yeah at first I thought "good they upgraded it" but then when I saw the vent I thought "bummer wet cell instead of sealed AGM". Question, did the terminals have some sort of anti corrosion coating on them? Wet cell lead acid often have terminal corrosion issues.
Yeah, you'd hope that the filter would be only for "just in case", for protection from an "surprise" wear snowballing. They may have moved to a more active circulation for heat dissipation reasons?
The electric motors are somewhat different tech, right? Would that have any influence on how the motor/gearbox combo is designed?
Wet cells have significantly more energy capacity than AGM. If they switched, then presumably they did quite a profiling exercise to figure out what works best for their loads and recharging profiles.
Not sure how I feel about the spin on oil filter for the drive unit. A transaxle shouldn't be generating that much debris that it would need a filter.
Do you have an example? I've never seen such.AGM batteries often have a vent as well
Do you have an example? I've never seen such.
I'm wondering if they went cheap on the gears and need extra good lubrication to ensure long life. Also a cheaper material would potentially be more prone to spalling/flaking material off, so it would be prudent to have a filter and oil circulation system in that case.
Total guesses though
Interesting, thanks. I've heard that Optima quality has gone down, if you want a top quality sealed AGM I'd go with Odyssey.I installed Bosch AGM battery, Bosch Platinum Series AGM Battery Group, Size 24F | 838890 | Pep Boys, in my 2012 RAV4-EV, it has a vent tube:
I also had replaced the 12V battery in a 2002 Prius with Optima Yellow Top AGM, D51R | OPTIMA Batteries which also has vent tube.
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highly doubtful given their focus on longer term reliability.I'm wondering if they went cheap on the gears and need extra good lubrication to ensure long life. Also a cheaper material would potentially be more prone to spalling/flaking material off, so it would be prudent to have a filter and oil circulation system in that case.
Total guesses though
I can't believe Tesla chose to save money on the resistive battery heaters by adding the oil circulation system we are seeing here. Feels to me like the MS/MX have historically gone through transaxles. We also know Elon has been talking about 1M mile drivetrains for a while. The fluid pump and filter likely make the transaxle much more durable and gave Tesla the option to forego battery heaters.Interesting point. The 3 is supposed to be Tesla's first permanent magnet car. That means it's phase locked - the inverter phasing always matches the motor speed, with the slip angle between them determining the torque.
I hadn't been thinking about it, but I think that's exactly why it has the recirculation motor - and likely the filter to protect that pump. In other EV manuals and forums there are explicit warnings about not using the motor to hold the car on a slope - because on a permanent magnet motor it means running power continuously through the same couple of poles, leading to differential heating of the rotor. (Doesn't apply to the induction motors Tesla has used to date, where the fields are rotating relative to the rotor at all times.)
Unlike those companies, Tesla decided they could program the motor to be a heat source for the battery while the car is stationary. They probably need that oil circulation to keep the motor temperatures even throughout the rotor and stator when they are heating with it or doing high torque zero or low RPM operations.
I can't believe Tesla chose to save money on the resistive battery heaters by adding the oil circulation system we are seeing here. Feels to me like the MS/MX have historically gone through transaxles. We also know Elon has been talking about 1M mile drivetrains for a while. The fluid pump and filter likely make the transaxle much more durable and gave Tesla the option to forego battery heaters.
Cabin filter will most likely be accessible from in the cabin on the output side of the blower like many other vehicles.
I'd prefer to see the cabin filter on the intake side of the blower to prevent dust and dirt from building up on the centrifugal blower. As dust accumulates, noise will increase and performance will deteriorate.
Is there a filter that would fit in the opening in the frunk area?
Is there a filter that would fit in the opening in the frunk area?
Better than nothing and likely what I'll do.You could put a pretty fine mesh screen there to keep the big chunks out.