Model 3 Track Mode V2...RIP BMW M3

[Dan84]

I think the title says it all

About what exactly?

Depending on what you find important, the BMW M3 (current and next gen) is in several ways superior to the Tesla M3P. A software update isn't going to fix that (unfortunately). As a total package the Tesla M3P seems to offer more bang for buck and therefore the better choice from a budget perspective.

 

[qdeathstar]

How big are heat soak losses... like, head to head in a ten lap race who wins? 20 laps?

to me that is a legit knock on electric vehicles... unless the knock is oversold. Sr+ here so I wouldn’t know.

 

[MP3Mike]

to me that is a legit knock on electric vehicles... unless the knock is oversold. Sr+ here so I wouldn’t know.

I don't think it is as bad as people make it out to be. (As bad as it was on the original Model S.)

But it depends on how you setup the race. For example fill them both with the same energy content: 100% charge on the Model 3, 2 gallons of gas in the M3 and see which gets the farthest the fastest. (Both are about 72 kWh of energy.)

 

[mattack4000]

No one is running 20 laps unless it is a full race car...

 

[Okninja]

Even without V2 it’s not a fair comparison. P3D is a far superior driving and track machine (with slight exception of feel around bends) and V2 negates that.

 

[TexasTezla]

Let me know when a software update is able to defy the laws of physics and reduce the curb weight . You can only compensate so much with clever coding. Tesla needs to design a lighter weight battery or release a lower capacity track version of the model 3 to compete with the newer generation of performance cars of the future.

I believe the 'performance cars of the future' will be all electric anyway.

 

[shiv.nandak]

Agreed, front engine, rear drive will never defy the laws of physics, too much high weight in front of the driver will never allow the current Ice car to become what is needed to excel on the track

You do realize that the BMW M3 is pretty much 50:50 weight distribution?

 

[shiv.nandak]

I believe the 'performance cars of the future' will be all electric anyway.

No doubt electric cars are the performance cars of the future. But i have my doubts if this will happen in the next 5 (possibly more) years. Electric cars are using the same suspension tech that ICE cars use, the only thing different is lower center of gravity and higher curb weight. Lower center of gravity is great but higher curb weight is a massive hindrance for performance. You can do all the clever engineering you want but you cannot make a 4000 lb car handle better than a 3000 lb GT3 RS. Tesla will need to design a lighter weight battery or reduce the capacity and make a track spec car. Until then, ICE cars will be the king of the racetrack.

 

[Knightshade]

About what exactly?

Depending on what you find important, the BMW M3 (current and next gen) is in several ways superior to the Tesla M3P. .

Can you cite any objectively measurable ones?

When Top Gear (hardly Tesla fans) compared them the BMW M3 (current one) lost in every single test except drifting.

And that was before TM2 (which would fix the drift result and likely improve how much it beat the BMW in the lap testing) and before the last 5% power bump which'd put it even further ahead of the BMW in the other testing.

Top Gear: Tesla Model 3 goes head-to-head with BMW M3 [Video]

 

[Okninja]

No doubt electric cars are the performance cars of the future. But i have my doubts if this will happen in the next 5 (possibly more) years. Electric cars are using the same suspension tech that ICE cars use, the only thing different is lower center of gravity and higher curb weight. Lower center of gravity is great but higher curb weight is a massive hindrance for performance. You can do all the clever engineering you want but you cannot make a 4000 lb car handle better than a 3000 lb GT3 RS. Tesla will need to design a lighter weight battery or reduce the capacity and make a track spec car. Until then, ICE cars will be the king of the racetrack.

disagree completely. The lower center of gravity makes up for increased weight. That’s why Tesla beats up on nearly everything on and off the track. GT3? That’s a $200k car lol.

 

[Knightshade]

You can do all the clever engineering you want but you cannot make a 4000 lb car handle better than a 3000 lb GT3 RS. Tesla will need to design a lighter weight battery or reduce the capacity and make a track spec car. Until then, ICE cars will be the king of the racetrack.

Meanwhile, back in reality...

Tesla Model 3 with mods nearly takes out McLaren F1 lap time at famed Japanese race circuit

Oh look- model 3 beats the GT3s best time.

• McLaren F1: 1:04.6
• Tesla Model 3 Ascension-R by Unplugged Performance: 1:04.7
• Porsche 911 GT3 997: 1:04.8
• Ferrari F40: 1:04.8
• Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI: 1:04.9
• Lamborghini Gallardo: 1:05.0
• Porsche 911 Turbo 997: 1:05.2

Granted they did some suspension mods to the Tesla. Not sure what they did with the other $150,000 less they didn't spend to run that time than the Porsche owner did though


BTW that Tesla time was with a driver who had never driven a Tesla before that day- and on less than ideal tires for the track.



Quick edit- Just saw they ran it again a couple weeks later (so I guess his SECOND time driving a Tesla?) and he put down a 1:03.3 still on street tires.... (in fact, the same tires that are OEM on a GT3!)

 

[qdeathstar]

I don't think it is as bad as people make it out to be. (As bad as it was on the original Model S.)

But it depends on how you setup the race. For example fill them both with the same energy content: 100% charge on the Model 3, 2 gallons of gas in the M3 and see which gets the farthest the fastest. (Both are about 72 kWh of energy.)

I’m not sure the track cares about how much energy you use necessarily...

 

[Okninja]

disagree completely. The lower center of gravity makes up for increased weight. That’s why Tesla beats up on nearly everything on and off the track.

Meanwhile, back in reality...

Tesla Model 3 with mods nearly takes out McLaren F1 lap time at famed Japanese race circuit

Oh look- model 3 beats the GT3s best time.

• McLaren F1: 1:04.6
• Tesla Model 3 Ascension-R by Unplugged Performance: 1:04.7
• Porsche 911 GT3 997: 1:04.8
• Ferrari F40: 1:04.8
• Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI: 1:04.9
• Lamborghini Gallardo: 1:05.0
• Porsche 911 Turbo 997: 1:05.2

Granted they did some suspension mods to the Tesla. Not sure what they did with the other $150,000 less they didn't spend to run that time that the Porsche owner did though

welp

 

[Daniel in SD]

with mods

 

[Knightshade]

To be fair- that's a CSL.

They only made like 1358 of those...ever...and you haven't been able to buy a new one in what like 17 years?

 

[Daniel in SD]

To be fair- that's a CSL.

They only made like 1358 of those...ever...and you haven't been able to buy a new one in what like 17 years?

Sorry it was the first hit on YouTube. There aren't many people taking BMWs around tracks in Japan.

 

[Daniel in SD]

The lower center of gravity makes up for increased weight.

That's why every racer adds lead plates to the bottom of their car.

 

[Okninja]

That's why every racer adds lead plates to the bottom of their car.

Did you forget about the ancient 1000 lb engine and bits sitting in the front bay? You should add the lead and remove the engine, see how well the car performs

 

[Daniel in SD]

Did you forget about the ancient 1000 lb engine and bits sitting in the front bay? You should add the lead and remove the engine, see how well the car performs

Dry weight is 306lbs.
BMW B58 - Wikipedia

 

[Okninja]

Dry weight is 306lbs.
BMW B58 - Wikipedia

You should try driving around with a dry engine and no down pipe, turbo, manifold, intake, oil etc. Make sure you remove all the screws too.