Model 3 Track Mode V2...RIP BMW M3
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Including attachments, fluids, battery/electronics yup, right around 1000 (everything sitting in the engine bay) wet and driveable. And that ancient weight is sitting substantially higher off the ground than either Tesla motor
Daniel in SD
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That makes it even more impressive that a BMW M3 is faster around most tracks than a Model 3.Including attachments, fluids, battery/electronics yup, right around 1000 (everything sitting in the engine bay) wet and driveable. And that ancient weight is sitting substantially higher off the ground than either Tesla motor
Is that the imaginary track I’ve never heard of? We’re talking stock M3 vs stock P3D?
Tesla Model 3 Performance Crushes Fossil BMW M3 Around Race Track | CleanTechnica
Top Gear Pits BMW M3 Against Tesla Model 3 Performance
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Daniel in SD
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The Model 3 is faster on tighter, slower tracks.
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Daniel in SD
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Above 60mph the M3 is a quicker car.Or all tracks.
How would the M3, a slower car, be faster on a fast track?
The next version will have AWD so it should be faster on all tracks until Tesla releases a faster Model 3.
Incorrect again
Tesla wins the half mile too
And this is without V2, which would make the p3d even faster on fast wide turns
Top Gear races Tesla Model 3 Performance against the BMW M3
Daniel in SD
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It's a good thing for BMW that lap times aren't measured from a stop!
AWD launch advantage is huge.
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And it’s an unfortunate thing for BMW that the P3D is faster in every measurable category that relates to the track. Including lap times themselves
I cannot believe the misinformation here, why have you linked an article that compares against cars at-least 1 generation (in some cases multiple generations) in the past? That was such a biased article, and the track is only 1.2 miles long and is suited for cars that accelerate fast. Does the M3P not hold track records against current gen cars in ANY other racetrack?
McLaren F1 - production dates 1992-1998
GT3 997 - Debuted in 2006
F40 - 1987-1992
Audi R8 V10 - 2012
Gallardo - 2003-2013
997 turbo - 2004-2013
Lower center of gravity does not make up for increased weight. The fact is that the tires and brakes will need to handle the extra 1000 lbs at high speeds and the available mechanical grip will be much less compared to a lighter car. Your tires and brakes will also overheat/fade alot faster compared to a lighter car. There is a reason that teams in every level of motorsport try to reduce as much weight as possible.
Incorrect. It does make up for the extra weight. That’s why it’s faster around the track than anything gas powered that is even remotely in its price range. And these tests were completed before V2.
Knightshade
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Good- since there isn't any.
The times posted are all factual.
Because someone specifically cited the GT3.
Which that article happened to show a P3D beating.
Not sure why you'd get confused by that.
Ah, the racing version of the "no true Scotsman fallacy!"
"Well no way that car can win on versus MAGICCARILIKE on a track!"
"Here's that car beating MAGICAR on a track...."
"Well that's not a REAL track! Doesn't count!"
I also linked to a P3D beating a current-gen M3 around a track as tested by top gear (and beating it in nearly every other comparison test they did too)
Lemme guess... that one also doesn't count...because... REASONS.... right?
Also-
I know Sasha from MPP ran a 1:37.5 at Laguna Seca back in June...(plenty of news stories when it happened)
Which is quicker than the quickest BMW on the list of best laptimes there-though just barely...
BMW M4 GTS laptimes, specs, performance data - FastestLaps.com
It's a current-gen M4 GTS that was slightly slower...
THAT track must not count either- right?
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So I owned a 2016 F80 M3, and now have 2020 Model 3 Performance. I had the M3 on the track once, haven't taken the Tesla out.
The Model 3 is easier to drive, no doubt about it. I'm not sure the F80 wins in any category. I also owned a 2012 E92 M3, which I also had on a track a couple of times. Now that car felt great! It's been a while since I drove it, but the balance and motor were quite a thing of beauty. The Model 3 is still the better overall car, and I don't miss the F80 at all. Although it looked really mean!
The Model 3 is easier to drive, no doubt about it. I'm not sure the F80 wins in any category. I also owned a 2012 E92 M3, which I also had on a track a couple of times. Now that car felt great! It's been a while since I drove it, but the balance and motor were quite a thing of beauty. The Model 3 is still the better overall car, and I don't miss the F80 at all. Although it looked really mean!
Dolemite
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Model 3 with a turbonator will wipe the floor with anything
Why state objective ones? That’s not what this thread is about, just read the opening post.
As stated in my response, it depends on what you value for me that is (amongst others) Design, Quality, Fun (Experience). Those are some of the areas where the M3 is superior to the M3P for me.
Daniel in SD
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Camaro SS 1LE is way faster.
Not stock and on racing slicks. Once you start comparing the Model 3 to modified cars it's at a huge disadvantage.
It is odd that Motortrend has never had Randy Pobst to a hot lap of a stock Model 3 at Laguna Seca. Seems like he's driven every other high performance car there.
WarpedOne
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So, BMW M3 is supposed to have better handling and yet it is slower on tighter, slower tracks?
Does not compute.
My bet is that the people in this thread that truly believe the model 3 is a track day monster, have never done a track day with the car to realize the reality, have never tracked another modified car.
They also probably believe hpde events are “races” and when they pass a guy in a Ferrari in the novice group claim victory, when the guy in the Ferrari was just there to have fun and has little skill.
source: track prepped c5 corvette owner (2001) which I would bet money on being faster than my p3d at a track day, single lap or session. 6 years AUTOX experience and at least a handful or more of track days. I’m not an expert, but I know enough to know that at least
They also probably believe hpde events are “races” and when they pass a guy in a Ferrari in the novice group claim victory, when the guy in the Ferrari was just there to have fun and has little skill.
source: track prepped c5 corvette owner (2001) which I would bet money on being faster than my p3d at a track day, single lap or session. 6 years AUTOX experience and at least a handful or more of track days. I’m not an expert, but I know enough to know that at least
