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Model 3 Track Mode V2...RIP BMW M3
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Daniel in SD
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There’s a new M3 coming later this year. It will cost way more than a P3D but I’m sure it will be faster around a track for people who care about those sorts of things.
That's probably when Elon will announce another software update that includes ludicrous mode along with Track Mode V3.
wdskuk
Member
Hopefully V3 will include Ludicrous mode. I haven't really messed with V2 yet but I'm pretty sure it will go up against the BMW M3 really well. Both cars are great still.
What matters is pace of innovation.
After 'the real' M3 comes out and flops, BMW will have to wait a few more years for a another chance.
Which may never come.
After 'the real' M3 comes out and flops, BMW will have to wait a few more years for a another chance.
Which may never come.
BMW has been making terrible choices when it comes to driver engagement and most recently design choices. No argument from me there. But one thing the M3/M4 have been consistent about is the performance on paper. I have no doubt that the new M3 will NOT be a flop when it comes to handling/power delivery and basically any performance measure compared to the predecessor. It will be difficult to compensate for the extra weight of the M3P regardless of how clever the software update is.
Let me know when a software update is able to defy the laws of physics and reduce the curb weight
. You can only compensate so much with clever coding. Tesla needs to design a lighter weight battery or release a lower capacity track version of the model 3 to compete with the newer generation of performance cars of the future.
eye.surgeon
Active Member
I"ve owned a couple BMW M3's in the past, an E36 and an E46. Don't miss them. You can assume that when the Model 3 performance becomes faster around the track than the BMW, the automotive press will bemoan "the lack of soul". That's press-speak for I can't find any objective means of preferring the BMW so I will talk about the soul of an inanimate object. Apparently what qualifies as soul is a loud noise.
Tesla IS the newer generation of performance cars of the future. (whatever that means).
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Again most data available suggests there's little to nothing left for the P3D as it sits today to give with current HW- see numerous other threads on that.
This might be a valid thesis ... except the press talked about this conundrum before the Model 3 ever existed.
There are characteristics that people do enjoy that aren't fully quantifiable. A diesel can be louder than a petrol but less pleasing. 1 steering rack can be quicker than another but less communicative. A car can be quicker than another, but less interactive and enjoyable. See the McLaren MP4-12C. Or the Nissan GT-R.
Is there a conspiracy against those manufacturers also?
jkirkwood001
Active Member
wdskuk
Member
I can say the BMW M3 just feels better when it comes to handling. The Model 3 P feels just as tight but more of that comfortable handling. Pretty sure it will beat the BMW M3 on the track with that faster acceleration. However the width of the F80 M3 makes the car look so good. Both great cars.
Let me know when a software update is able to defy the laws of physics and reduce the curb weight
Agreed, front engine, rear drive will never defy the laws of physics, too much high weight in front of the driver will never allow the current Ice car to become what is needed to excel on the track
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Unless you're producing insane amounts of power AWD isn't going to help much at race track speeds. The new M3 will have AWD but I doubt it will help anything except 0-60 (which is all that really matters, right? haha).
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
It can matter quite a lot if the car is advanced enough to do things like improve times through corners by moving the power around (which TM allegedly does on the Model 3- and other cars explicitly do with torque vectoring and other tricks)
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
I'm sure it helps but you can't defeat physics and the Model 3 is a heavy car.
For example there was recent hype about a modified Model 3 doing 1:57.9 at Buttonwillow on street tires. The Global Time Attack Street class record is 1:48.8 in a modified Honda S2000. It's hard to beat lightweight RWD.
