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Model 3 vs S

TigerNinety

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2017 75 RWD? Were there even RWD S in 2017 hmmm.. oh well.

Get the S if
  • If you need more cargo space
  • regularly drive 4+ persons
  • don't drive far (town car)
  • Need air suspension for extra clearance and comfort
  • comfort is #1, it's a bit better than 3.

Get the 3 if you
  • need to go far
  • want newest tech with newest updates
  • fast charging
  • preserve value over time easier (model S is getting old)
  • cabin noise is not a big issue
  • 4 wheel drive

Personally I would buy a new 3 LR if that S was the option.
I had an S75D before, Now I have 2021 Model 3 Performance.

I think this is a very good breakdown, from my perspective as a 2016.5 S75D/MCU1/FSD owner. I feel like I got a decent deal for my CPO, but I'm going to have to shell out $2.5K or $3K (with radio) for the MCU2 that the Model 3 comes with standard.

If today I were the 40 year old (let alone a 30 year old) that I was when I bought my 2007 VW GTI, I'd probably go with the Model 3. But, at 51, the Model S is the sweetest luxurious, true-driving (dual display), top-of-the-line design, and still beats the pants off almost anything on the road.

Maybe that's another way to look at it. If you might be inclined to buy a VW GTI (an awesome car) or a BMW M3 (need I say more), a Tesla Model 3 is probably your "flavor" right now. If you might be inclined to buy an Audi A6/A7 or BMW M5, the Tesla Model S might be the way to go.

My $.02.
 

DanCar

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Oct 2, 2013
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Take a look at the FSD beta videos. Looks much better on 3 and Y, especially if your passengers will enjoy viewing the display. The S is nice because of size. 3 uses less energy, charges faster and will have less of a maintenance burden.
 

Cheburashka

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Jan 29, 2018
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Take a look at the FSD beta videos. Looks much better on 3 and Y, especially if your passengers will enjoy viewing the display. The S is nice because of size. 3 uses less energy, charges faster and will have less of a maintenance burden.

Agree. If you just want a Tesla and don't care about space then get the 3.

Personally the 3 doesn't fit my lifestyle. I need the big trunk and the back seat for child and dog.

I actually like the 2 screen setup way more than the 3, although I'm sure I could get used to the 3 screen.
 
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FatherTo1

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I realize this is a personal preference. For me, I prefer my 2017 model S75 RWD uncorked with air suspension over 2018 model 3 LR RWD. Much smoother and quieter ride. Shorter range does not bother me since I drive only locally. I don’t know how 2020 model 3 compares to 2018 model 3.

Just wanted to share that the late 2019/early 2020 Model 3 had upgraded rear seats. I sat in a friend’s 2018 M3 and felt the backseat was uncomfortable due to the angle of the rear seatbacks being too upright. Another friend bought a new 3 and you can tell the rear seat is more thickly padded and also at a more comfortable angle. There’s a video on YouTube too where someone has the SC switch out their backseat to the newer design and it is clear the 2020 M3 rear seat design is improved over the earlier M3.
 

FatherTo1

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the S. if the 3 had the same suspension, I'd like it more, but after owning S, 3 and X... S is my fav.

Can you elaborate more on that last comment? I love our Standard Range Raven S, but already have the itch to jump to an LR X or Y. I have test driven both the Raven X and Y and don’t want to make an expensive mistake. FWD are cool but X also feels too big on the road and I don’t know if I’d enjoy driving such a wide bus long term. The Y is so efficient but felt like a downgrade compared to our S. I am tempted by more range and cargo space...although I haven’t had a real need for either yet.
 

AustinP

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2017 75 RWD? Were there even RWD S in 2017 hmmm.. oh well.

Get the S if
  • If you need more cargo space
  • regularly drive 4+ persons
  • don't drive far (town car)
  • Need air suspension for extra clearance and comfort
  • comfort is #1, it's a bit better than 3.

Get the 3 if you
  • need to go far
  • want newest tech with newest updates
  • fast charging
  • preserve value over time easier (model S is getting old)
  • cabin noise is not a big issue
  • 4 wheel drive

Personally I would buy a new 3 LR if that S was the option.
I had an S75D before, Now I have 2021 Model 3 Performance.

A 75 has about the same range as our 85.
I've had no issue going far on vacation, in cold and warm seasons.
And this since 2015, when SuC where much more rare in Europe.
Even M3 SR+ is fine going far.
 

emmz0r

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Jul 12, 2018
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A 75 has about the same range as our 85.
I've had no issue going far on vacation, in cold and warm seasons.
And this since 2015, when SuC where much more rare in Europe.
Even M3 SR+ is fine going far.

You'll survive if it's once in a while. But it's not optimal. Due to terrible charging curve . Also your 85 might be 400V while 75 is 350V .
 
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46&2

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Dec 15, 2014
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Well now you’re going the wrong direction in 0-60.
Didn't know this was of THAT MUCH importance for you. The difference won't be that big as the numbers indicate (Performance, as by Tesla standard: measured with optimal battery pre-conditioning, roll-out, ... then the time can be achievable. Long Range: It's just there, stomp it, and it goes).

The S Performance is brutal. The Long Range is, as many report, still feeling quicker than a Long Range 3. Performance 3 vs. Model S LR? Closer (but still, M3P, if that is ALL that matters, as it seems, in your case. Which is fine, becaus it's a clear statement.)
 

2101Guy

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Jan 6, 2020
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Can you elaborate more on that last comment? I love our Standard Range Raven S, but already have the itch to jump to an LR X or Y. I have test driven both the Raven X and Y and don’t want to make an expensive mistake. FWD are cool but X also feels too big on the road and I don’t know if I’d enjoy driving such a wide bus long term. The Y is so efficient but felt like a downgrade compared to our S. I am tempted by more range and cargo space...although I haven’t had a real need for either yet.

I have the S (regular air, not the Raven) with the 21" Arcachnid wheels. and my wife has 2021 Model Y with the 20" upgrade wheel package. Model Y is firmer ride as it has a shorter wheelbase than the S and has no air suspension. Over smooth roads, makes no difference. But on bumpy roads, there is definitely a harsher ride in the Y. Fortunately for us, 90% of the roads we drive on regularly are good roads. But if we lived say, up in the northeast? DC roads in the winter? Would be a bit of a punishing ride in the Y

I suspect that the Y would be noticeably smoother with the standard 19" wheels.
 
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Needsdecaf

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Having lived with several Model S loaners as well as a long term test drive (weekend) of a 90D, and I'm pretty good at sussing out car's strengths and weaknesses quickly. Overall I'd take the Model 3, but that's because I plain can't get comfortable in an S. The front headroom just isn't enough for my build (6'2" longer in torso than legs). And the rear seats are too tight for even my kids, headroom wise. Despite it being a bigger car, my wife and kids all agree that the Model 3 is a better fit for us. But we're all tall (my 14 year old is already 5'9").

Putting that aside, here are the pluses and minuses that I see for each.

For the S:

Air suspension lights out better than Model 3 steel suspension. Even the Model S steel suspension is better.

Two displays better use of information, IMO. The traditional gauge cluster means not having to look away for as many things. Also I prefer the extra controls on the steering wheel as well.

Strong performance. Even though my Model 3 is a performance, a P85D or better is faster, even without heating up the battery.

Seats - much better lateral support in the S seats. The 3 / Y seats are an absolute joke regarding lateral support.

Cargo room / hatchback - more usable space and more practical.

Prefer the sleeker looks of the S to the 3.

For the 3:

Newer tech unless you buy a brand new S.

Newer batteries / better charging.

Better visibility out of the car.

Better headroom front and rear.

Better software support if you are buying a newer car with HW3.

Lighter / smaller feeling car. Steering wheel is smaller and the steering ratio is faster than the S. Plus, it actually IS lighter and smaller. Notably smaller. The S is a LONG car.

Track mode in the performance / more trackable car by far.

No known issues with display fluid bubbling.

No known issues with MCU memory chip.

Door pockets, lol.

Better value for the money, IMO.
 
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AustinP

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emmz0r

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Jul 12, 2018
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75 (and 90 & 100) SuC speed have been "unlocked" again by the latest Christmas updates.

Tesla removes Supercharger speed restrictions with holiday software update - Drive Tesla Canada

So the 75 is definitely a good car to travel long distance by my book.

Not for me. It takes me half an hour longer than it would with a 3 to visit my family. They don't have charging where they live forcing me to charge before I go there, to have enough juice to drive back to supercharger.
 

BlackM3

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Nov 2, 2017
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Having lived with several Model S loaners as well as a long term test drive (weekend) of a 90D, and I'm pretty good at sussing out car's strengths and weaknesses quickly. Overall I'd take the Model 3, but that's because I plain can't get comfortable in an S. The front headroom just isn't enough for my build (6'2" longer in torso than legs). And the rear seats are too tight for even my kids, headroom wise. Despite it being a bigger car, my wife and kids all agree that the Model 3 is a better fit for us. But we're all tall (my 14 year old is already 5'9").

Putting that aside, here are the pluses and minuses that I see for each.

For the S:

Air suspension lights out better than Model 3 steel suspension. Even the Model S steel suspension is better.

Two displays better use of information, IMO. The traditional gauge cluster means not having to look away for as many things. Also I prefer the extra controls on the steering wheel as well.

Strong performance. Even though my Model 3 is a performance, a P85D or better is faster, even without heating up the battery.

Seats - much better lateral support in the S seats. The 3 / Y seats are an absolute joke regarding lateral support.

Cargo room / hatchback - more usable space and more practical.

Prefer the sleeker looks of the S to the 3.

For the 3:

Newer tech unless you buy a brand new S.

Newer batteries / better charging.

Better visibility out of the car.

Better headroom front and rear.

Better software support if you are buying a newer car with HW3.

Lighter / smaller feeling car. Steering wheel is smaller and the steering ratio is faster than the S. Plus, it actually IS lighter and smaller. Notably smaller. The S is a LONG car.

Track mode in the performance / more trackable car by far.

No known issues with display fluid bubbling.

No known issues with MCU memory chip.

Door pockets, lol.

Better value for the money, IMO.

Very good info above, I agree with everything except comments on headroom. I own a 2018 Model 3 and just test drove a new S yesterday.
Main drawback of the S is that the visibility out the windshield is fine, but not as good as the 3. The headroom in the S is very good, probably better than the 3 if you get the glass roof, for both front and back seats. I agree that headroom in the S is worse if you get the metal roof or sunroof. Another point is that if you sit further back, it's more difficult to reach parts of the screen on the S and you need to lean forward. This is easier on the 3.
Also when you talk about the S seats, you have to specify if you are talking about next-gen leather (2015 to July2017 or earlier) or vegan (Aug2017 or later, and all white seats). I think they feel different. Note that the Model 3 seats seem similar to the vegan S seats, but Model 3 seats actually seemed slightly more comfortable than S seats to me. Lateral side support might be important for some. Also, I wish the vegan seats in the S (both front and back) were longer, with more thigh support.
My favorite part on the Raven S is that the suspension should always be more comfortable on every car. I have heard that pre-Raven the S suspension can be sometimes bumpy and sometimes comfortable, and it's true for both coil and air suspension. Need to test drive the specific car on variety of roads to know.
With the large headroom of the glass roof and the massive space in the hatchback and the more comfortable suspension, the S is overall better than the 3 to me.
My overall recommendation is to get a 2018 S 100D built in May2018 or later with MCU2. Or even better, the Raven from May2019.
 

SabrToothSqrl

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i forgot about the seats. .. S FTW there.

i can't write much atm, i have only 1 working typing hand, metal pins in my left wrist.

my biggest issue w/the 3 is my head. specifically in the S/X i can rest my head against the headrest 99% of the time.

in the 3: it's like beating the back of my head with the headrest the entire drive. not a fan. otherwise, the 3 is a great car. i'm 37, but have been 45 my entire life. i like a couch when i drive, the suspension lets me pick soft or sporty. if i wanted to get beat up I'd take my boat out and run 50 mph in 4' chop, but that has bolster seats.

do you drive w/your head against the headrest? if not, you may not notice as much.
 

N8Howell33

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I realize this is a personal preference. For me, I prefer my 2017 model S75 RWD uncorked with air suspension over 2018 model 3 LR RWD. Much smoother and quieter ride. Shorter range does not bother me since I drive only locally. I don’t know how 2020 model 3 compares to 2018 model 3.
I had the 2018 long range RWD model 3 and switched to this exact car as a well 2017 model S RWD 75 uncorked. The only downside would be less range, less efficient and MCU1. The upside (for me) way better looking car (interior and exterior), power lift rear (which I know now is in model 3). To each their own but having owned both I prefer the model S. I have 3 boys and they fit in the 3 but there’s more legroom in the S for them now too.
 
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