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Model 3 Winter Tires

RLEE

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Jun 14, 2019
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Oh, another great data point... in case anyone is thinking about the 'all weather' tires.
CC2; Kinergy; Quatrac Pro are all pretty good and I think all have been discussed multiple times on these forums.
 

rpiotro

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Aug 18, 2021
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42°57'34"N 88°3'35" W
Oh, another great data point... in case anyone is thinking about the 'all weather' tires.
CC2; Kinergy; Quatrac Pro are all pretty good and I think all have been discussed multiple times on these forums.
I've found their oval contact patch intriguing. Always lookin for technology advancements. I asked my tire guy about them. He has them on his wife's Camry. He said they were very quiet. So far. 4K miles on them.
 

pnwadventures

@bpr1de on Instagram
Mar 3, 2021
178
170
Pacific Northwest
Saw a review on You Tube that had the best information.... its title was "You're probably overthinking Winter tires"
In general, I actually agree with this. Once you get a bona fide snowflake-on-the-mountain winter/snow tire, traction comparisons become a bit like splitting hairs. Cost, longevity, and speed rating are still big factors though.
 
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afadeev

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Feb 28, 2019
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OK, for those of you that bought Hakkapeliitta R3's, from where did you order them?

Part of the challenge is that, in the US, Nokian is refusing to do business with major tire distributors (no TireRack, no DiscountTire, etc), and only sell through mom'n'pop shops. And the nearest one of those is 30+ miles away from, and doesn't carry any Nokian tires in stock. The other ones don't even have a web site.

The only two places I found that quote prices for Hakkapeliitta R3's are simpletire.com and Amazon.
Those list 245/45R18 R3's at either $999.96 and $1,011.22 per set. While not quite exorbitant, that's still a 30-40% premium over Michelin X-Ice, and Bridgestone Blizzak WS90's.

Has anyone found a more competitively priced source of Hakka R3's?

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afadeev

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Feb 28, 2019
779
933
NYC
Got ours from Discount Tires.... not sure why their site is not showing Nokians for you... they carry all the studdled and non-studded line up.
Thanks for the lead, unfortunately, the nearest DT location to me is 238 miles away. DT doesn't have any stores in New England.

I bought my last set of Nokians (Hakkapeliitta R2 235/50R18XL, for a Chevy Impala) from tires-easy.com in 2016 (before my first Tesla.)
They still have Nokians available.
Thanks, this site does carry both 235mm and 245mm wide R3's.

Price is nearly identical to that from SimpleTire.com, so it looks like Nokia is requiring that its retailers enforce minimal OEM pricing.

 

android04

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Apr 1, 2016
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487
Southeast Nebraska
Don't get them directly from a Discount Tire location, just buy them online and have them shipped to your house. Then you can get them installed at whatever tire place you want. I've ordered at least 10 sets of tires from Discount Tire Direct in the past decade.
 

RAZL

New Member
Oct 22, 2021
3
0
USA
OK, for those of you that bought Hakkapeliitta R3's, from where did you order them?

Part of the challenge is that, in the US, Nokian is refusing to do business with major tire distributors (no TireRack, no DiscountTire, etc), and only sell through mom'n'pop shops. And the nearest one of those is 30+ miles away from, and doesn't carry any Nokian tires in stock. The other ones don't even have a web site.

The only two places I found that quote prices for Hakkapeliitta R3's are simpletire.com and Amazon.
Those list 245/45R18 R3's at either $999.96 and $1,011.22 per set. While not quite exorbitant, that's still a 30-40% premium over Michelin X-Ice, and Bridgestone Blizzak WS90's.

Has anyone found a more competitively priced source of Hakka R3's?

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Pepboys... you might need to come across to pa to find them. They will price match.
 

Trendy

New Member
Feb 4, 2021
3
7
SLC
I've run three sets of the Michelin X-ice 3 and have great luck with them. I live in Utah and drive to the ski resorts at least once every week all winter and have lots of snow and ice experience. Last year I got the Pirelli Sottozero 3 with the Tesla winter package and they were surprisingly good. They are just slightly less good in snow and ice but amazing on cold dry roads. It feels like a real performance tire vs the mushy feeling of the X-ice tires. Despite all the negative press I've been impressed. I will note that they don't last nearly as long as the Michelin tires. Just pointing out that the Tesla winter package isn't a bad option...when available.
 

afadeev

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Feb 28, 2019
779
933
NYC
I've run three sets of the Michelin X-ice 3 and have great luck with them. I live in Utah and drive to the ski resorts at least once every week all winter and have lots of snow and ice experience.

My current set of winter tiers is Micheline X-ice 3. I loved everything about them, except longevity - they are down to 3-4/32nds after 2 winters (reduced to worthless all-seasons traction level now). Then again, I can barely make my summer PS4S's last 2 seasons, so this may very well be as good as it gets for me.

The best thing about X-ice 3's was that they handled really well on cold dry pavement, which is the road surface the car drives on 95% of the time in the winter. There was minimal tread squirm and give during lateral loads (turns), and they were exceptionally stable and predictable at high speeds. They were not as good as Blizzak WS80s (I have on another car) over fresh snow or ice, but Model 3 is riding way too low to the ground, so I avoid driving it over unplowed roads and don't take it on skiing trips.

Unfortunately, X-ice 3's have been discontinued and replaced with X-Ice Snow's. So I'm back on the market exploring the alternatives, including Hakka R3's.
This is the closest thing I found to X-Ice Snow vs. Hakka R3's review: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=258

Last year I got the Pirelli Sottozero 3 with the Tesla winter package and they were surprisingly good. They are just slightly less good in snow and ice but amazing on cold dry roads. It feels like a real performance tire vs the mushy feeling of the X-ice tires. Despite all the negative press I've been impressed. I will note that they don't last nearly as long as the Michelin tires. Just pointing out that the Tesla winter package isn't a bad option...when available.

Here is info on Sottozero's vs. alternatives in Performance Winter / Snow category. They leave room for improvement:

Pepboys... you might need to come across to pa to find them. They will price match.

Thanks, but Pepboys (like most other tire chains) do not list Nokian brand in their online tire selection menu.

Don't get them directly from a Discount Tire location, just buy them online and have them shipped to your house. Then you can get them installed at whatever tire place you want. I've ordered at least 10 sets of tires from

Yep, that's the road I take with all my tire purchases.
TireRack even ships tires directly to your local independent installers, and even maintains a list of recommended independent shops by zip code (great service). Alas, they don't carry Nokian brand.

Long story short, I had mail-ordered a set of Hakka R3's for Model 3, and X-Ice Snow's for another car.
I will for myself how they compare later this winter, and maybe even share the impressions, if anyone cars.

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RAZL

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Oct 22, 2021
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My current set of winter tiers is Micheline X-ice 3. I loved everything about them, except longevity - they are down to 3-4/32nds after 2 winters (reduced to worthless all-seasons traction level now). Then again, I can barely make my summer PS4S's last 2 seasons, so this may very well be as good as it gets for me.

The best thing about X-ice 3's was that they handled really well on cold dry pavement, which is the road surface the car drives on 95% of the time in the winter. There was minimal tread squirm and give during lateral loads (turns), and they were exceptionally stable and predictable at high speeds. They were not as good as Blizzak WS80s (I have on another car) over fresh snow or ice, but Model 3 is riding way too low to the ground, so I avoid driving it over unplowed roads and don't take it on skiing trips.

Unfortunately, X-ice 3's have been discontinued and replaced with X-Ice Snow's. So I'm back on the market exploring the alternatives, including Hakka R3's.
This is the closest thing I found to X-Ice Snow vs. Hakka R3's review: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=258



Here is info on Sottozero's vs. alternatives in Performance Winter / Snow category. They leave room for improvement:



Thanks, but Pepboys (like most other tire chains) do not list Nokian brand in their online tire selection menu.



Yep, that's the road I take with all my tire purchases.
TireRack even ships tires directly to your local independent installers, and even maintains a list of recommended independent shops by zip code (great service). Alas, they don't carry Nokian brand.

Long story short, I had mail-ordered a set of Hakka R3's for Model 3, and X-Ice Snow's for another car.
I will for myself how they compare later this winter, and maybe even share the impressions, if anyone cars.

a
Yes but Pepboys has them. Just call. I'm not suggesting it without info... I bought it from them.
 

GregD60

Member
Mar 24, 2016
372
370
Colorado
My current set of winter tiers is Micheline X-ice 3. I loved everything about them, except longevity - they are down to 3-4/32nds after 2 winters (reduced to worthless all-seasons traction level now). Then again, I can barely make my summer PS4S's last 2 seasons, so this may very well be as good as it gets for me.

The best thing about X-ice 3's was that they handled really well on cold dry pavement, which is the road surface the car drives on 95% of the time in the winter. There was minimal tread squirm and give during lateral loads (turns), and they were exceptionally stable and predictable at high speeds. They were not as good as Blizzak WS80s (I have on another car) over fresh snow or ice, but Model 3 is riding way too low to the ground, so I avoid driving it over unplowed roads and don't take it on skiing trips.

Unfortunately, X-ice 3's have been discontinued and replaced with X-Ice Snow's. So I'm back on the market exploring the alternatives, including Hakka R3's.
This is the closest thing I found to X-Ice Snow vs. Hakka R3's review: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=258



Here is info on Sottozero's vs. alternatives in Performance Winter / Snow category. They leave room for improvement:



Thanks, but Pepboys (like most other tire chains) do not list Nokian brand in their online tire selection menu.



Yep, that's the road I take with all my tire purchases.
TireRack even ships tires directly to your local independent installers, and even maintains a list of recommended independent shops by zip code (great service). Alas, they don't carry Nokian brand.

Long story short, I had mail-ordered a set of Hakka R3's for Model 3, and X-Ice Snow's for another car.
I will for myself how they compare later this winter, and maybe even share the impressions, if anyone cars.

a
I've run three sets of the Michelin X-ice 3 and have great luck with them. I live in Utah and drive to the ski resorts at least once every week all winter and have lots of snow and ice experience. Last year I got the Pirelli Sottozero 3 with the Tesla winter package and they were surprisingly good. They are just slightly less good in snow and ice but amazing on cold dry roads. It feels like a real performance tire vs the mushy feeling of the X-ice tires. Despite all the negative press I've been impressed. I will note that they don't last nearly as long as the Michelin tires. Just pointing out that the Tesla winter package isn't a bad option...when available.
I've also used Blizzaks, X-Ice, and Sottozero 3 tires over the years, and my experience matches Trendy's precisely, but I will add that Sottozero 3s are outstanding in the wet also. I find the difference in snow and ice performance between the Sottozero 3 and Blizzak or X-Ice tires to be relatively small compared to the difference in the wet and dry. If you're really spending half or more of your time on ice or snow in the winter, than go with a full on snow tire like Blizzaks or X-Ice3; otherwise, I think a Sottozero 3 is a safer and more enjoyable alternative.

In my experience, X-Ice tires last significantly longer than either Blizzaks or Sottozero 3, maybe as much as twice as long.

As for room for improvement, every tire has room for improvement, but the reality is that the difference between all the performance winter/snow tires on the Tirerack survey is pretty minimal; some other categories have a lot more variation. Vredestein Wintrac Pro tires have been getting a lot of good reviews; they don't show on the Tirerack survey because, "This tire hasn't received enough consumer feedback to be rated."
 

Trendy

New Member
Feb 4, 2021
3
7
SLC
I've also used Blizzaks, X-Ice, and Sottozero 3 tires over the years, and my experience matches Trendy's precisely, but I will add that Sottozero 3s are outstanding in the wet also. I find the difference in snow and ice performance between the Sottozero 3 and Blizzak or X-Ice tires to be relatively small compared to the difference in the wet and dry. If you're really spending half or more of your time on ice or snow in the winter, than go with a full on snow tire like Blizzaks or X-Ice3; otherwise, I think a Sottozero 3 is a safer and more enjoyable alternative.

In my experience, X-Ice tires last significantly longer than either Blizzaks or Sottozero 3, maybe as much as twice as long.

As for room for improvement, every tire has room for improvement, but the reality is that the difference between all the performance winter/snow tires on the Tirerack survey is pretty minimal; some other categories have a lot more variation. Vredestein Wintrac Pro tires have been getting a lot of good reviews; they don't show on the Tirerack survey because, "This tire hasn't received enough consumer feedback to be rated."
I agree with everything you said. I should have mentioned that the Sottozero 3 tires do indeed perform very well in the wet as well as cold dry roads.
 

Jetex Jim

Member
Oct 17, 2019
84
79
Bavaria
Yes the pre refresh version will work.

A Tesla is a car, any tire shop can work on it. Tires will not void your warranty.
My local village garage refused to do the summer/winter tyre swop for me. He didn't want to touch a Tesla. Maybe someone told him a special tool was needed to lift the car up.
 

pnwadventures

@bpr1de on Instagram
Mar 3, 2021
178
170
Pacific Northwest
My local village garage refused to do the summer/winter tyre swop for me. He didn't want to touch a Tesla. Maybe someone told him a special tool was needed to lift the car up.
Maybe he himself was a special tool…

I’ve encountered a few automotive tradesmen who would rather sacrifice putting bread on the table than yield their anti-EV agenda.

Adaptation is the key to survival, but not everyone is willing or able to do it.
 

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