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larmor
Active Member
Yes, I remember the first part, they didn't want to shock the consumer with their first car. But I don't remember the second part where they say they'll have wide latitude with the gen III. Got any references?
I will try to find the interview of which I am thinking when I get a chance - this at least provides a reference to "more radical" styling with the Model III:
Tesla designer reveals future EV models - CNET
SwedishAdvocate
Active Member
In other cases you may not need to.
But in this case: If it isn't sufficiently aesthetically pleasing – then: Will it sell in enough numbers?
What if it doesn't sell?
Then there's no longer a Tesla Motors. Not a good scenario IMO...
That’s why you too should care about aesthetics in this case.
Why risk it all by releasing a Model 3 that isn’t perceived by a vast majority as aesthetically pleasing?
palmer_md
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Raffy.Roma
Rome (Italy)
Coming out of the woodwork here:
This forum overflows with praises extolling the wonderful looks of the Model S.
I love my P85 as I never have felt about any prior automobile. HOWEVER...it took me a long time before I was accustomed to its exterior. Sleek? - sure. Aerodynamic-looking? - not a doubt. Different? Well...no, not to my eyes. Looked a lot like a handful of other autos, from Italian to Japanese to Korean.
I'm used to it now, but if I were the King of Aesthenia, the Model S wouldn't have received anything better than a Gentleman's C.
This forum overflows with praises extolling the wonderful looks of the Model S.
I love my P85 as I never have felt about any prior automobile. HOWEVER...it took me a long time before I was accustomed to its exterior. Sleek? - sure. Aerodynamic-looking? - not a doubt. Different? Well...no, not to my eyes. Looked a lot like a handful of other autos, from Italian to Japanese to Korean.
I'm used to it now, but if I were the King of Aesthenia, the Model S wouldn't have received anything better than a Gentleman's C.
One of the things I like about the Model S is the very fact that it looks "normal." If the Model 3 winds up Leaf-ugly or screams "Look at me, I'm driving an EV!" (think 1st gen Prius or Insight), I'm out.
And I don't buy this "an EV can look different" BS. It's still a car. It needs 4 wheels, doors, and glass. As someone posted up-thread, cars look the way they do because form follows function.
Aside from not needing a radiator, there isn't much different about an EV's outward appearance.
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And I don't buy this "an EV can look different" BS. It's still a car. It needs 4 wheels, doors, and glass. As someone posted up-thread, cars look the way they do because form follows function.
Aside from not needing a radiator, there isn't much different about an EV's outward appearance.
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That's not necessarily a bad thing, IMO.
It's not just the radiator, it's the entire space forward of the cabin traditionally used to house an engine that is unnecessary in an EV. Having an empty frunk there just shows that area is there just to look like a normal car, not for any practical reason. Otherwise you might end up with something that looks like this:
Xenoilphobe
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I like having the largest crumble zone in the world in the front -- AKA the Frunk - I think that would be an acceptable design and give the smaller vehicle an extremely high crash rating...
Remember, it's not just a frunk, it's a crumple zone. Would you want to drive a car with your legs in the crumple zone? Thanks, but no thanks.
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Oh, yeah, what he said...:redface:
I remember elon taking a question (at a shareholders meeting) about hub cap aerodynamics and how a flat disk hubcaps improves range, but look terrible.
Elon responded with "we are working on some thing's that we think you will like" (something along those lines).
We are yet to see anything so either it was just elon doing his thing or they are saving it for model3 because what they have planned needs a different form factor.
Elon responded with "we are working on some thing's that we think you will like" (something along those lines).
We are yet to see anything so either it was just elon doing his thing or they are saving it for model3 because what they have planned needs a different form factor.
My expectations:
- The frunk on the Model 3 is eliminated. Instead, the Model 3 has a smaller nose, and comes standard with a front wheel drive unit. The Performance Model 3 will have an optional rear wheel drive unit, for AWD, at the cost of trunk space.
- Tesla takes the falcon-wing doors of the Model X to the next level. The regular front doors are gone and instead the sides open up. Like the Quant e-Sportlimousine: QUANT e-Sportlimousine by nanoFLOWCELL AG
- The frunk on the Model 3 is eliminated. Instead, the Model 3 has a smaller nose, and comes standard with a front wheel drive unit. The Performance Model 3 will have an optional rear wheel drive unit, for AWD, at the cost of trunk space.
- Tesla takes the falcon-wing doors of the Model X to the next level. The regular front doors are gone and instead the sides open up. Like the Quant e-Sportlimousine: QUANT e-Sportlimousine by nanoFLOWCELL AG
Because the big outer window is too big to fit inside the door. The smaller inner glass piece exists so that you have a window you can roll down.
I'm in the camp that believes that the Model 3 needs to look good but not too radical. If it's going to sell something in the vicinity of 100,000 units per year the looks have to not offend a lot of people.
I think you mean ~400.000 units per year by 2020.
And I agree, the styling can't be freaky. It needs to look good. But the most important thing is that it's extremely practical. As long as it accomplishes this, it can be different-looking.
I completely disagree. Practical is great but functional and good looking are what sells. I think the only way it can be freaky is if it is absolutely AMAZING in all other categories. No reason to be freaky just to do it. And revolutionary does not need to be freaky.
For Model 3, they need esthetics since they'll be more in the luxury end. If they go further downmarket for Model 4, it won't matter so much: how many mainstream cars look special?
