Model S and X to get 4680 batteries. I told my wife my Plaid won't be my last car and this is one of those reasons.

[DelPhonic1]

Per Troy Teslike today: "They still use 18650 cells for Model S/X. Model S/X are expected to switch to 4680 cells"

We thought all models would eventually go 4680 at some point, but this is the first specific mention of S/X that I've seen.
Hopefully in about 2 years that would work for me. I'll grab the Cybertruck from my early order than lay in wait for the 4680 Model X. We'll see how the timing works out.

 

[Tam]

Hopefully...

Many people were hoping Texas 4680 Model Y cars would give them more range but it turns out it has only 279 miles (down from 330 miles with older 2170 cells).

Our hope may not align with Tesla's implementation.

 

[roblab]

Many people were hoping Texas 4680 Model Y cars would give them more range but it turns out it has only 279 miles (down from 330 miles with older 2170 cells).

Our hope may not align with Tesla's implementation.

Yeah, the type of cells don't determine the range, but the kwh stored. You can monkey with little details like having the heat either resistance or heat pump, but 4680 cells don't mean much, except the promise of a cheaper battery. I suspect they could up the range easily, but it must have something to do with the shape and size of where the battery has to go. With the S and X, there's a lot of floor space/ battery space. Not so much with the Y and 3.

 

[DelPhonic1]

Yeah, the type of cells don't determine the range, but the kwh stored. You can monkey with little details like having the heat either resistance or heat pump, but 4680 cells don't mean much, except the promise of a cheaper battery. I suspect they could up the range easily, but it must have something to do with the shape and size of where the battery has to go. With the S and X, there's a lot of floor space/ battery space. Not so much with the Y and 3.

I think they're sandbagging the Austin Y numbers and even possibly artificially ramping down the capacity to match the other models. It's range and charge speed at this point I believe they are holding back. As to range, what I am hoping is that the competition will finally change Elons mind, since his most loyal clients voicing their needs won't. All of these cars that go more than 400 miles on a fill up have to be working on him.

 

[Tam]

...As to range, what I am hoping is that the competition will finally change Elons mind, since his most loyal clients voicing their needs won't...

I've been with Tesla because of the range with a reasonable price comparing to others.

Now BMW is testing its 600 mile car:

BMW to test ONE's advanced battery in its iX electric SUV

BMW will install and test a long-range battery developed by Michigan-based startup Our Next Energy (ONE) in the German automaker's iX electric SUV, the companies said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

CATL is also coming out with 620 mile battery:

CATL makes its 620-mile EV battery official with 10 minutes charge to 430 miles range

The largest EV battery maker CATL just unveiled its long-teased Kirin battery that uses an innovative cell-to-pack technology to achieve the world's highest volume utilization. The packs are superior to Tesla's 4680 battery by offering higher energy density and better cooling in the same footprint.

www.notebookcheck.net

If the price is right, I'll jump ship!

 

[ngng]

I think they're sandbagging the Austin Y numbers and even possibly artificially ramping down the capacity to match the other models. It's range and charge speed at this point I believe they are holding back. As to range, what I am hoping is that the competition will finally change Elons mind, since his most loyal clients voicing their needs won't. All of these cars that go more than 400 miles on a fill up have to be working on him.

I was thinking the same thing. No reason to cannibalize their sales.

 

[Darmie]

This is good news. I'm a few years away anyway. Maybe we will see a 500 mile Plaid after all.

 

[terranx]

So far the 4680s have not proven to offer any advantage over the 18650 or 2170 cells.

 

[Tiger]

So far the 4680s have not proven to offer any advantage over the 18650 or 2170 cells.

Texas-made Tesla Model Y with 4680 battery charges 0-97% in under 1 hour

 

[jboy210]

Texas-made Tesla Model Y with 4680 battery charges 0-97% in under 1 hour

Nice, but how often do people Supercharge from under 8-9%. I know when hot from driving a couple of hours my 3 will take the full 250 kW at 8% and stay at full 250 to around 65% and them slowly decrease rate of charge.

 

[terranx]

Texas-made Tesla Model Y with 4680 battery charges 0-97% in under 1 hour

Your point? 2170 and the 18650s in the refresh can do the same.

 

[Tiger]

Your point? 2170 and the 18650s in the refresh can do the same.

My guess is they have lower internal resistance which can only be a good thing, better efficiency for charging and discharging.