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WannabeOwner

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What do I need to be aware of when collecting a Model-S?

I posted a thread about Model-3 UK Collection Day FAQ which covers general things that new owners would need to be aware of including driving one for the first time and controls familiarity etc.

So my question is really about anything specific to [current] Model-S that I should be aware of.

My assumptions are:

UMC with 13AMP and Commando connectors

Is that the new 16 AMP commando connector, or the old 32 AMP one that I had originally? (if the 16 AMP should I pinch the 32 AMP connector from my trade in?)

Type-2 cable. I've got a nice long one in existing car ... I'll hang on to that anyway (wasn't OEM with original car). Is the Type-2 cable with Model-S a Shortie like the Model-3?

I have a CHAdeMO - will I need a firmware upgrade for the new Model-S? Can they do that while-I-wait?

Check the CCS adaptor is there

Any accessories I should be getting?

(Car is going straight to Topaz Detailing for Detailing and Wrapping; unless I find something that I specifically need Tesla to fix I'll let Topaz fix any paint defects, that's their day job ...)
 

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I got CCS adapter and 16a commando. I ordered the 32a too but got a gen1 one, so still waiting to swap that. If your existing one is gen1 then that 32a won't fit.

Are accessories different for a 2019 car vs one a couple of years old? If the centre console is different then a (third party) wireless phone charging tray thing is an option I went for, but am not a lover of.

Anyway, more importantly, what colour car did you go for?
 
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Anyway, more importantly, what colour car did you go for

Same as before ... dead boring in that regard. I have no design aspirations and don't really care overly for "Looks", sorry about that :)

If your existing one is gen1 then that 32a won't fit.

Ah, good point thanks.

Are accessories different for a 2019 car vs one a couple of years old?

I have a USB/phone connector kit. It allows the phone to be just "dropped" into the console as a cradle ... but in practice I can't then do anything with the phone in that cradle, so I now have a flying-lead and the phone sliding around the console as my "superior solution" so that I can use Waze.

I'll source an SSD for Sentry Mode ... might get that installed so I can watch the PPF going on :) Actually, on second thoughts the battery would be flat by the time they finish ...
 

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I have a USB/phone connector kit. It allows the phone to be just "dropped" into the console as a cradle ... but in practice I can't then do anything with the phone in that cradle, so I now have a flying-lead and the phone sliding around the console as my "superior solution" so that I can use Waze.

Ah yes, there's the Tesla phone cable and bits. I bought iPhone one for other half but didn't bother with USBC because delivery lady at tesla said the console/parts didn't fit my Samsung S8 very well. Plus I like a case. Even iPhone (7) needs care to plug in but it's ok. Case has to be removed.

I think there's a lot of room for improvement around console, USBs etc. in the Model S. I don't think a longer generic cable is a bad option.
 

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I've fished a few more items into my "transfer box".

CHAdeMO
12V tire inflation pumps and puncture gunge (Tesla branded, in my case)
A Red First Aid and Emergency kit - if that is not provided in new car?? I'll hang on to the existing
Extension Lead - forgot I had that in the car and it might have blended in with the UMC cable

Wondering what things I might need to attend to in order not to get a reduction in trade in price at hand-over. There is a scrape on the front right bumper corner, looks to have only damage the PPF, so I might have a go with hair drier on that, if not I'm inclined to "You aren't paying me any extra for PPF so just whip that off and you'll have perfect paint ... for a few weeks.
 

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Just as an aside - are you excited about the new car as you were for your first?

I changed MS for MS in June and was like a schoolkid for about 6 weeks before and after I took delivery!
 
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WannabeOwner

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re you excited about the new car as you were for your first?

Yes I think so ... not to the same extent ... actually ... "differently" - for me its about Eco-attainment (is that a word?).

I was very nervous driving a £100K car out of the showroom ... of course that won't apply to an £80K car :D and of course I am now familiar with Model-S. My friends are not going to be green with envy 2nd time around ... I'll need to get a Roadster II for that :)

My excitement is tangential. Its a step to getting rid of the stinking backup-ICE. Raven gets me mileage for tricky business journeys that used to need ICE, so can then ditch backup-ICE for 2nd EV - Model-3 presumably ... but Wife is saying "Why can't we buy a knackered Leaf for peanuts" and she has a point ... except that would undoubtedly put us on queer-street on the rare days when we need to long-distance both vehicles. I have no wish to own an EV that has to be charged at a crappy 3rd party stall, I've used those Vendors here-and-there across the country in the last 3+ Tesla-years and not had a single really good, slick, experience.

This year #1 Sprog has changed ICE for Model-3, I've changed Fossil lawn mower for electric (the absolutely brilliant Husqvarna Robot :) ), and changed to predominantly vegan diet, and will be adding more self-generated juice shortly with aim of being at net-zero next year. Just need to figure out a way of encouraging all around me to do so too ... that is continuing to be my most difficult challenge. I have already told Wife (with limited success!) that I am not prepared to offer hospitality to those friends that I regard as not doing "something" (I had to temper "enough" to "something" so as not to become a Hermit!).

Have also put 10x EV chargers in car park at work, and about to persuade Board to permit Salary Sacrifice for Staff EVs. Someone else here said their employer was providing home chargers too (as well as free charging at work), not convinced that staff will appreciate that gesture enough for me to do that ... but we may well do that too.

Sorry, wibbling on, but reflecting on the new car its more the achievements en route to Net Zero that I am excited about :) Hope that doesn't sound self congratulatory smug, as it wasn't intended that way.
 
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WannabeOwner

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So I went to pick it up yesterday.

Final Invoice arrived at 17:31 two days before, emailed from Salesman, nothing on My Tesla, so Salesman was clearly working around the system.

Bank transferred the money day before collection, no obvious indication that it was received, I was out that day so no ability to check with them myself.

Collection day: sent an email to the Delivery Specialist saying I was on my way and to call mobile if any problem. No call, no reply to email, but I suppose that doesn't matter.

Arrive at 10:50 for my "I'll arrive 10:30 to 11:00". Can't find me on the list. When they do its "Oh, you are the 9AM pickup" ... ermmm ... no ... I have confirmation from both Salesman and Delivery Specialist that 10:30 - 11:00 was fine.

"OK, there's a presentation starting at 11:00, but I suppose you won't need that as an existing owner" ...

... "The trade in paperwork has changed and I don't have a print out for your trade in, but I'll sort that out"

by this time I was holding up the queue for the one check-in guy.

I wander into the lounge. No water in the coffee machine, and only a couple of cups left. Can't find anyone around so someone decides to use one of the cups to transfer water from the drinking fountain. Some guys with trade plates rock up "Are you fetching for delivery then? Sounds like a good idea, you could have picked mine up instead of me flogging here. Sorry, there aren't any cups" ... of course he is a regular so heads off through the No Entry to where he knows the cups are. Happy Campers.

The Model-3 presentation isn't particularly relevant to a Model-S so I get my book out, and when they all wander over to get their cars I follow suit. The Starting Grid Marshal! looks at his laptop and scratches his head as to where my car is, turns out it is right there :)

I had dumped my trade in round the back, the place was heaving with cars. There was a parking area next to the handover warehouse in which I counted about 60 cars and other cars parked on the side street (all without plates), and 3 transporters parked in the access road. I've seen the warehouse more full, but given I got there mid-morning it might have been choker first thing. There were about 10 people in the 11:00 presentation, and then me and a couple of trade-plate blokes, probably a few others who skipped the presentation .... assuming they are doing one an hour might well be 100 cars a day, even though not end of quarter.

I reckon 90% of the Model-3's were white, including the ones outside in the waiting area

I had a wander around the car checking it, all seemed fine. Went and got my box of stuff from the old car, paperwork for trade in materialised. Would have been handy if they had sent me a reminder to bring both keys and the V5 ... those I had thought to take.

They never even looked at my trade in (maybe they would for a non-Tesla)

Car has:

New UMC Version 2. A bit different to the original in that the flying-leads plug directly into the "box", rather than have connectors on the lead itself. It looks like the plug is hardwired until you actually wrestle it free.

Very short Type-2 cable, CCS adaptor, 16-AMP Commando for UMC and Towing hook

When I got my first car, nearly 4 years ago, they whipped a sheet off in the main showroom and gave me the best part of an hour 1:1 talk through. Towards the end of that another person arrived for the only other car, covered in a sheet, parked in the showroom. I don't need any of that, per se, but at least the original car was fully charged.

My new Model-S:

31% charged (long way short of being enough for my circumstances ... surprised that they don't even prioritise that, at least, for Model-S/X buyers)
No covers for key fobs. Very short Type-2, no 32AMP Commando
A Model-3 presentation ... which is not entirely relevant.


"Can I get a 32AMP Commando adaptor"
"Sure, over at Stores"

I wander over to stores. "Sorry we are out of stock, due in next week, we can send you one"
"Great, can I give you a card?"
"No, you need to email [email protected]"

What craziness. Must cost a fortune in Admin compared to just raising an order whilst I was there, or actually having an eCommerce site.

"Will my CHAdeMO work, or do I need to get the firmware updated?"
"Absolutely no idea, sorry. Best to take it over to the workshop". I figured to do that whilst charging.

So I set off. Two cars waiting for chargers. I checked Heathrow and it had 10-of-12 free, so I decided to head off there. Probably won't ever need the CHAdeMO again ...

Loads of free spaces at Hilton Heathrow car park, sign says to take keyfob to reception for 30 mins free parking. I wander over, receptionist: "Are you ready to leave?"
"No, just arrived, actually I was thinking of getting a quick bite to eat"
"OK, then you have 4 hours free parking, just come back after your meal"
I wander into the light bites restaurant and have a nice meal.
Waiter: "Are you driving a Tesla"
"I must look like a Tesla driver?!!"
"No sir! its just that you are non-resident and on your own. If you put your REG on the receipt I can give you a discount"

Blimey!

How does that work then? Hilton provide car park space to attract Tesla punters and THEN also give them a discount? I'm scratching my head ...

So off to Topaz Detailing. Last time I went the car park out front was full of customer cars - Zondas and the like, now its the staff car park so I didn't feel so poor! But they showed me around the workshop littered with Maclarens ... so Poor-after-all :)

I told them how pleased I had been with the previous PPF wrap. There wasn't a mark on the car when i handed it to Tesla (a bit pissed that I'd had it washed at the Supermarket [one of only a handful of times during ownership ...] to make sure of no reduced valuation, given that they didn't even look at it!) Ho!Hum!
 

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Yes I think so ... not to the same extent ... actually ... "differently" - for me its about Eco-attainment (is that a word?).

I was very nervous driving a £100K car out of the showroom ... of course that won't apply to an £80K car :D and of course I am now familiar with Model-S. My friends are not going to be green with envy 2nd time around ... I'll need to get a Roadster II for that :)

My excitement is tangential. Its a step to getting rid of the stinking backup-ICE. Raven gets me mileage for tricky business journeys that used to need ICE, so can then ditch backup-ICE for 2nd EV - Model-3 presumably ... but Wife is saying "Why can't we buy a knackered Leaf for peanuts" and she has a point ... except that would undoubtedly put us on queer-street on the rare days when we need to long-distance both vehicles. I have no wish to own an EV that has to be charged at a crappy 3rd party stall, I've used those Vendors here-and-there across the country in the last 3+ Tesla-years and not had a single really good, slick, experience.

This year #1 Sprog has changed ICE for Model-3, I've changed Fossil lawn mower for electric (the absolutely brilliant Husqvarna Robot :) ), and changed to predominantly vegan diet, and will be adding more self-generated juice shortly with aim of being at net-zero next year. Just need to figure out a way of encouraging all around me to do so too ... that is continuing to be my most difficult challenge. I have already told Wife (with limited success!) that I am not prepared to offer hospitality to those friends that I regard as not doing "something" (I had to temper "enough" to "something" so as not to become a Hermit!).

Have also put 10x EV chargers in car park at work, and about to persuade Board to permit Salary Sacrifice for Staff EVs. Someone else here said their employer was providing home chargers too (as well as free charging at work), not convinced that staff will appreciate that gesture enough for me to do that ... but we may well do that too.

Sorry, wibbling on, but reflecting on the new car its more the achievements en route to Net Zero that I am excited about :) Hope that doesn't sound self congratulatory smug, as it wasn't intended that way.

That all sounds great what you are doing, I just wish other companies would follow, my situation is that everything suggested to my HR department is put in the ‘too hard’ basket
 

WannabeOwner

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my situation is that everything suggested to my HR department is put in the ‘too hard’ basket

Happy to write to your MD asking why they are doing nothing for the environment.

I expect there are a couple of thousand others here who could similarly fill his / her intray ...
 
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DJP31

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An interesting write up, and I’m setting my expectations accordingly (not that I have anything concrete planned) for Tesla No 2. Seems like the car was PDI’d properly.....or are you easier going with No 2?

How does that work then? Hilton provide car park space to attract Tesla punters and THEN also give them a discount? I'm scratching my head ...

You get 30 mins free parking whilst charging. If you don’t buy anything you pay for parking on exit. If you buy something they give you a discount (on proof of ownership - show key fob for me last time) and validate your parking ticket for 4 hours.

It’ll be interesting to hear your report of how the car differs from the old one - must be hundreds of changes since your first one rolled off the factory line. Do you know whether the the route is still the same, Fremont, train, Houston-Tilburg?
 
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WannabeOwner

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Seems like the car was PDI’d properly.....or are you easier going with No 2?

I'm not a good role model. "Just a car" I'm afraid.

Plus, although I had a good look round, it was off to Detailers for Wrapping and I told them to do any paint correction that they feel necessary once they get it "under lights", but I'm not paying them to detail it with a YTS doing wet&dry for a week! like the Black Ferrari that was in their workshop.

I expect that QA has improved at the factory, but I don't know about PDI. My Model-3 (June) came off transporter, washed and handed over inside of 30 minutes. Unless they did something, more, at the port (but what about if it got bumped in transit?) that's Tesla definition of "PDI".

I think its a lottery. There are people here who have had obvious paint issues (either corrected on the day, or subsequent service appointment) - why were they ever handed over like that at all? Others/majority are factory-perfect ... Good Luck!

If you can stomach end-of-quarter I'd do that, often deals available. In part to hurry up the paperwork, and in part because now that I have the Raven (range) I can swap Backup-ICE for M3, I asked Salesman two days earlier what M3LR he had available. He gave me a choice of two colours for collection at 2 day's notice (although he did say it was a bit of a rush their end ... so maybe allow 3 days :) ). Can;t figure out why management think that buying two-at-once is any different to one-now and another in a month-or-two's time. She's stuck driving the ICE for a week whilst the MS is being wrapped ... she could have had a shiny new M3 to take today instead :)

It’ll be interesting to hear your report of how the car differs from the old one - must be hundreds of changes since your first one rolled off the factory line

Well I only drove it for 10 miles to Detailer (via Hilton :) )

Map rendering is different. On zoom-in lots of thick lines appear for roads until it stabilises at new resolution. Probably a weird thing to be picky about, but it seemed a bit messy to me.

AP2 much more "nervous/eager", AP1 much smoother. No AP1 speed sign reading of course ...

Climate temperature separately for passenger and driver (pretty sure only had one before ... although i think I had 2 until V9)

Can't really say I notice much else different. Felt "new" of course ... but perhaps the more newsworthy thing is how little IS different. 99% of the Dashboard stuff I already had, via OTA. Name me another car that is 4 years old and done nearly 100K miles where that would be the case :)

Felt pretty nippy (given that previous was P and this isn't), so I'm not going to miss that.

It charged slowly at Hilton. I didn't pay much attention, and APP/TeslaFi wasn't hooked up at that point, so couldn't check progress. SOC was 29%, ramped up to 100kW but started sliding back and was 85kW in the minute or two before I vacated. I must have been there a good 45 minutes, maybe even an hour, and it hadn't quite reached 90% ... Definitely not paired on arrival, nor by departure.

I'l assume that was just a one off, until I try it somewhere more familiar ...

... but will I ever Supercharger? The two-days-a-month are now doing going to be sometime-never ...
 

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AP2 much more "nervous/eager", AP1 much smoother. No AP1 speed sign reading of course ...

From my limited experience with AP1 compared with a few K miles in Raven I thought just the same. Hoping for some refinement from updates in this regard.
 

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Hoping for some refinement from updates in this regard.

Glad I didn't order my original car a bit later, as I would have fallen over the cusp into AP2. My advantage is that if I own the new car for 3+ years, and progress continues as it has in the last 3 years, AP2 is going to become amazing over that period
 

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If you can stomach end-of-quarter I'd do that, often deals available.
That's a distinct possibility, I think only if I decided the Performance option was "worth it". I'm trying to hang on as long as possible (2/21 deadline) with a number of different inputs - excess mileage, tyres, service etc to factor in to the man maths.

I'm also not impressed that Tesla seems to still be knocking out cars that are susceptible to the yellow screen problem and heaters are starting to go pop again. There's also the continual rumour of a refresh and the Plaid option coming next year sometime may also be introducing the M3 cheaper battery architecture (this is being posited as a possible reason for the #batterygate stalling tactics - cheaper with 2170's rather than 18650's).

Can't really say I notice much else different. Felt "new" of course ... but perhaps the more newsworthy thing is how little IS different. 99% of the Dashboard stuff I already had, via OTA. Name me another car that is 4 years old and done nearly 100K miles where that would be the case :)

Only another Tesla ;)!
 

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the Plaid option

If you are in two minds about P then I am doubtful you (nor I ...) will want to afford Plaid. I have zilch to go on, just Armchair Critic, but I am betting its going to be a significant cost hike and target the "must have" brigade. All good Bottom Line for Tesla, the MS was £20K premium for years, until competition caught up, and I've no problem with voluntary-taxation ...

I think the battery prospective news is more difficult for buy/delay decision. Possibly a 120 in the space of the old 100. For me the current Raven mileage is all I need, but you might get 90 instead of 75? I presume that would be a 90 for the weight of a current 75, and assuming power-draw on that 90 would be more than current 75, then more performance available "for free"

If I've guessed all that right then lots to enjoy. perhaps even a price drop even if more 2170's replace 18650's (i.e. in "same space")

I'm sure you've already had all those thoughts (maybe some others you can share?)
 

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If you are in two minds about P then I am doubtful you (nor I ...) will want to afford Plaid

Hell's teeth I couldn't afford a Plaid unless I got divorced and then I wouldn't be able to afford one even more :eek:.

I think the battery prospective news is more difficult for buy/delay decision. Possibly a 120 in the space of the old 100. For me the current Raven mileage is all I need, but you might get 90 instead of 75? I presume that would be a 90 for the weight of a current 75, and assuming power-draw on that 90 would be more than current 75, then more performance available "for free"

In truth I don't need a Long Range, let alone a 120. A Std Range would "do" me range wise but they seem to have been discontinued for a longer period than they were previously - I'm keeping an eye on inventory in case they make a few and stick them in at quarter end. If they don't make a reappearance I think that means they are gone forever - and that might add further credence to the refresh/battery 2170 v 18650 rumour.

I'm sure you've already had all those thoughts (maybe some others you can share?)

My thoughts generally end up with silly man maths thinking- e.g may consider an inventory Performance because it might not be that much more than a custom build LR even though I would rarely have the opportunity to use the performance nor the range.

It's all great fun though :D
 

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YMMV, compared to mine, but after the initial euphoria wore off, and all the mates I have ever known ... and several I didn't know that I knew! ... had had a ride I haven't used P much. I'm 80+% on dual carriageway at 70MPH. Yeah, I sprint from the lights occasionally, but based on my sprint-test yesterday nothing much is going to trouble a MSLR - except a P :)

Price would need to be free for me to have P again. When I did a comparison I couldn't see any differences in the spec between LR and P (except option for carbon fibre dashboard trim) but P price was £15K more though ...

I bought Raven for range on "difficult" business trips so i no longer have to resort to backup-ICE. But I think the number of Model-3's at Superchargers will become a factor, and my new longer Max Range will reduce the times I need Superchargers at all. So I think the LR will be worthwhile for that reason; negligible Range difference between MS LR and P, so either solves that problem.
 
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Climate temperature separately for passenger and driver (pretty sure only had one before ... although i think I had 2 until V9)

I was convinced our AP1 car didn't have dual zone climate control for several weeks until someone showed me how to configure it :D

... but will I ever Supercharger? The two-days-a-month are now doing going to be sometime-never ...

Less rapid charging means happier battery pack so can't be bad!

I'm assuming you have the new adaptive suspension? This is supposed to be quieter and delivers a noticeably more controlled ride and handling. And of course when you get (if not already) the update you will have one pedal driving (which all the pointers now suggest that pre-Raven cars won't get :( ).

We love our pre-facelift 70D and my wife says she wants to keep it for ever but I'm nervous about the longevity of MCU1 and out of warranty issues. So I will be saving the pennies for a 3 year old CPO Raven in three years time! That or a Model Y...
 

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