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Model S Crashes into Store Front. Driver Doesn't Blame Tesla

Discussion in 'Model S' started by S'toon, Oct 22, 2016.

  1. S'toon

    S'toon Knows where his towel is

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    Now THIS is newsworthy.
    Full article at:
    Tesla Model S crashes into a store, driver admits error and doesn’t blame Autopilot
     
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  2. rainman50

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    Did this model have autopilot? The reason I ask is that I don't understand why the system lets the car hit a solid surface.Maybe a large glass window would not be taken as "solid". I have a P85 (no auto pilot). I know mine would not have the ability to do so. I think I heard that the car have to be going past a certain speed to have the car apply the brakes. Does anyone have any info on this?

    I have a friend that has a S75D and a car pulled out in front of him and his car applied the brakes rather abruptly and stopped the collision. I think he was going about 30 or so MPH.
     
  3. David29

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    Even if the car did have autopilot hardware, there are various driver actions that defeat Automatic Emergency Braking, including pressing the accelerator and turning the steering wheel. Plus an operator can have it disabled in the settings.
     
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    I would think that pressing the accelerator would disable the autopilot or auto braking system.
     
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    Shocker! Good to have a responsible owner not trying to blame someone else for their own mistakes.
     
  6. thegruf

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    All respect to the driver who didn't try to blame the car.

    Mistakes happen, the better people in the world acknowledge it and move on, the rest blame anything else but themselves and have to live with their deceit.
     
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  7. kort677

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    you're wrong, pressing the brake peddle would, pressing the accelerator would not disengage the AP.
     
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  8. S'toon

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    Is it just me, or did some of the people commenting on this story not read the article?
     
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    Interesting law. Induces some more honesty. I wonder what it costs.
     
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    My favorite comment was that the headline sounded like it came from the Onion. So true!
     
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    New York and Michigan both have 'no fault insurance' as do other states. Criminal charges still can be made against the driver.
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  12. theslimshadyist

    theslimshadyist NashVegas!

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    Nice to see self accountability and responsibility for a change!
     
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    I was showing off my car to my sister last week and let her drive it. One question she had while stopped at a red light was, If I press the accelerator will I rear end the car in front of us? Or will the AEB prevent it? I immediately said Yes you will and don't try it! :)
    Running into storefronts is actually quite common, I would like to see some way of the car refusing to move in those situations.
     
  14. S4WRXTTCS

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    Damn Canadians always apologizing, and taking responsibility.

    Don't they know better?
     
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  15. S4WRXTTCS

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    In the current embodiment of AEB within the Autopilot package it doesn't activate the brakes for stopped objects. At least not in any consistent manner. It does seem to consistently work well when it's a moving object that is detected by both the camera, and the radar. That's why it worked so well for your friend.

    The AEB system in the Tesla also doesn't cut-off the throttle (at least not officially) when an object is detected. For example if you tried to run a Tesla Model S with AP & 8.0 firmware into a wall @25mph it would let you. But, if you tried to run a Subaru with Eyesight into a wall at 25mph it wouldn't let you the first three times (or something like that), and after that it gives up and lets you do whatever. On the Subaru it has throttle management with AEB.

    With AP 2.0 who knows. That system is going to be so advanced it can probably ask the driver to please stop trying to run into buildings.
     
  16. rainman50

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    Thanks for the clarification. Interesting.
     
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    no fault is usually only for medical claims.
     
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    But it would disengage AEB.
     
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    #20 S4WRXTTCS, Oct 22, 2016
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    The behavior has changed in 8.0 or will change soon in an incremental update to 8.0.

    Previously (and maybe still in 8.0) if you had the brake on during an AEB event it wouldn't trigger
    What's planned (and maybe in 8.0) is if you have the brake on it will amplify the braking.

    From the blog post
    • Automatic braking will now amplify user braking in emergencies
     

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