You are derailing the thread actually - calling someone out in front of other people for their misuse of a word is a faux pas. Nevertheless you are correct - she did misuse "decimate" in her sentence. She should have said "...decimates the competition" OR "...dominates the market."
Despite you being correct, I still find it cringe worthy that you bothered to be "that guy" and call her out for it. In the overall scheme of things she wins, you lose.
Benf, Where are you getting a $10,000 discount????
You are only partially right. There may be previous Prius or Odyssey owners buying the S but there are many Audi, BMW, MB or even Porsche owners like myself who replaced their car with a MS. Even for the former type buyers the fact is still those luxury or performance brands could not attract people usually don't spend that much on a car but Tesla could. Majority of them are buying it because it's such a compelling car not because it's an EV. Tesla has beaten everyone in its own game.
I've been trying to make that argument for a long while. Nice to see someone else coming to the same conclusions.I know everyone likes to compare the Model S to the 7-series and S-class, but I just don't really get it. The Model S starts at $70k ($60k with rebate). The 7-series starts at $81k. The S-class starts at $95k. The 7-series and S-class are considerably more luxurious than a Model S. The build quality, material quality, and just overall creature-comforts are not anywhere near luxury car standards in a Model S. So why is it being compared to them?
The 7-series and S-class are both 10 inches longer than the Model S. Strictly based on size, it's a lot more similar to a 5-series or an E-class.
So the cheaper, less luxurious, smaller Model S is outselling the more expensive, more luxurious, bigger luxury cars? Ok...
I'm not taking anything away from Tesla, it's still quite an accomplishment, but the comparison is simply not apples to apples.
Does model S avoid congestion charges in London?
I know everyone likes to compare the Model S to the 7-series and S-class, but I just don't really get it. The Model S starts at $70k ($60k with rebate). The 7-series starts at $81k. The S-class starts at $95k. The 7-series and S-class are considerably more luxurious than a Model S. The build quality, material quality, and just overall creature-comforts are not anywhere near luxury car standards in a Model S. So why is it being compared to them?
That is a telling perspective.It depends on how you define "luxury"
"a material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity"
Any 100K+ personal car, certainly fits in this category. The $ that are spent building the MS go into the technology rather than the bits of fancy wood and leather. Whether you prefer the high end frippery of a S series, the performance/style of a Ferrari, or tech showboat like the Model S is really just a matter of choice. But they're all "luxury" vehicles by any but the most narrow of definitions.
The real question is "does the S compete with the S-series" and other similar vehicles. Yes... it certainly does. People do buy the Tesla instead of a similarly priced BWM / Mercedes / whatever. Have Mercedes / BMW lost some high-end sales because of Tesla? Yes... certainly. Will that continue in the future? That's a better question. Eventually the Germans will catch up and produce a comparable EV for a similar price. Tesla will absolutely have to step up their game in terms of the "creature comforts" before that happens.
Are you speaking of personal experience here? Because most Model S owners also seem to say their phone outpaces the car browser. And the Model X got the same display as the Model S I thought?That is a telling perspective.
What Tesla brings to the luxury definition is a Silicon Valley view of what tech really is. That is a dramatically different viewpoint from the majority of the ICE manufacturers and it has really caught them off guard.
The technology of making compelling head units etc has always resulted in appalling results like MyFordTouch. BMW iDrive is a good attempt (for a car) but is easily outpaced by even the cheapest smartphone.
The car buying public are fed up of getting cars with tech that is years out of date compared to a four year old iPhone.
The thought that you have to keep visiting your local dealer to get Nav updates is archaic.
It really is a different definition of what "luxury" means
It depends on how you define "luxury"
The Model S and S-Class both have an Average Selling Price of $106k.
The BMW 7 Series,Audi A8 and Lexus LS all have lower ASPs.
For ICEv sold at dealerships MSRPs don't mean very much.
The Tesla is wider than any other F-Segment car. And has more usable interior volume because the space around the transaxle tunnel in an ICEv is unusable.
And Model S has much more usable interior volume than E Segment cars like the 5 Series and E Class. They also have much lower ASPs.
In price sold and usable interior volume Model S competes head on with other F-Segment cars.
The other automakers half-assed way of making electric cars will nag you a lot.Ohh. And as soon as bmw produces a 5series with electric drive I'll switch to that in a heartbeat. Teslas half ass way of doing most things are starting to nag me a lot. And that is without any real troubles with my MS.
I might even consider a plug in hybrid if that's what's available...
Yes, that is exactly my point. If you define luxury to include the Model S, it should ALSO include the 5-series and E-class. That list doesn't. Conveniently, when you add those other "luxury" cars in to the mix, Tesla is nowhere close to "decimating" anything. Mercedes sold over 60,000 E-class cars in 2015 just in the US. Tesla is doing very well, and certainly shaking things up. I love them for it. But they didn't gobble up 25% of the "luxury" car market unless you specifically exclude cars that are more of a direct comparison to the Model S than most of the cars on that list.
I don't think that the E and 5 really fit into the same category. My point was that you can't define a luxury car by how shiny the wood is, or how soft that the leather is. People have differing views of what "luxury" is, and so the only meaningful metric is average selling price. By that metric, the Model S is right up there with the S Series. If you want to be more specific, in the category of 100K+ sedans, the Model S is definitely shaking things up.