The Model S and S-Class both have an Average Selling Price of $106k.
If Tesla built over 50,000 Model S's in 2015 why is the chart showing sales of 25k for the same time period? Can anybody explain this or tell me where the other 25k went? How/why are sales only 25k in this chart?
Interior volume is not the only thing. Seats matter a lot and in that respect, the MS is laughable compared to a bmw 5 series. MS front seats are bad (incl the next gen) and the rear "bench" is just a joke when compared.
Ohh. And as soon as bmw produces a 5series with electric drive I'll switch to that in a heartbeat. Teslas half ass way of doing most things are starting to nag me a lot. And that is without any real troubles with my MS.
I might even consider a plug in hybrid if that's what's available...
Where did you get the S-Class ASP from?
ASP for an S600 is $175k, for a S63 with no options, ASP is 160k.
I must be shopping at the wrong dealers.
Point of all this is what is the right cross-shopping - when someone choses a Tesla, what car did they decide not to buy?
The complaint by Europeans that Tesla seats are inferior are laughable.
Tesla's Next Gen Seats are the exact same seats made by Recaro that are in Mercedes E-Class sans cooling.
I have never heard of any European say Mercedes E Class has sub par seats.
Where did you get that number for the Model S?
Based on that, the right comparison is the Model E to Tesla's with the Next Gen seats. Why compare it to the S whose seats are a lot better than the E?
A 70D with taxpayer gifts and gas savings is far closer in price to an E than an S.
Maybe Europeans were complaining about the non-Next Gen seats - oh, and just because you didn't hear it, doesn't mean it isn't true.
The volume S-Class leader is the S-550 that starts at $95,960 before dealer discounts.
The volume leader for S Class,the S-550, is much cheaper than a Model S P90D
We can all cherry pick one feature or data set.
It is clear to me that the Model S is on balance comparable to the cars it is listed with in the chart included in Tesla's latest shareholder letter when you look at the S ASP and it's balance of features compared to the competitors in that chart. Nit picking about Next Gen seats vs. MB S class seats is not constructive.
In reality the Model S is in a class by itself: it has no direct competitors but clearly buyers cross shop it with the high end German/Japanese/British cars.
I do and never came across that number or something around that. If that would be the case then every 2nd Tesla would be a performance Model. Even a 90D that's not loaded to the maximum would drag that average DOWN. Maybe they had that early in 2015 due to the launch of the D Models, but I highly doubt it stayed that high all over 2015.Read the investors forum on here.
Elon had stated it a few times on earnings calls.
Sometimes it goes up a 1-2 thousand in a given quarter and sometimes down a 1-2 thousand in a quarter.
It is clear to me that the Model S is on balance comparable to the cars it is listed with in the chart
I know everyone likes to compare the Model S to the 7-series and S-class, but I just don't really get it. The Model S starts at $70k ($60k with rebate). The 7-series starts at $81k. The S-class starts at $95k. The 7-series and S-class are considerably more luxurious than a Model S. The build quality, material quality, and just overall creature-comforts are not anywhere near luxury car standards in a Model S. So why is it being compared to them?
The 7-series and S-class are both 10 inches longer than the Model S. Strictly based on size, it's a lot more similar to a 5-series or an E-class.
So the cheaper, less luxurious, smaller Model S is outselling the more expensive, more luxurious, bigger luxury cars? Ok...
I'm not taking anything away from Tesla, it's still quite an accomplishment, but the comparison is simply not apples to apples.
On a side note, is there any data on the number of people who actually cross-shop the S-class and the Model S? I remember seeing something about one of the most popular previous cars for Model S owners is a Prius. I find it hard to believe that Prius owners are considering an S-class and choosing a Model S instead. It just seems like a different market and different segment of people. I know when you look at that table it looks like Tesla is stealing luxury market share, but isn't it possible that the luxury market is simply shrinking and Tesla is finding buyers from other segments?
It just seems like most people buy the Model S because it's the only long-range BEV out there, and for many, the only EV worth driving. I find it highly suspect that people are buying the Model S because it's a "luxury" car. Especially when you look at polls on this forum where people tell you this is the most expensive car they've ever purchased, or that they would have never spent anywhere near this kind of money on any other car. Those aren't "luxury" car buyers, but they seem representative of the typical Tesla owner.
After averaging national pricing data, the report said owners paid an approximately 80% premium on their Tesla cars compared to the average selling price of their previous cars....The results also showed that if drivers had not purchased a Tesla some would have rejected going the luxury car route and instead bought a car with an average selling price as low as $30,000, once again indicating the high premium drivers give Tesla. Of those surveyed only 13% of respondents said they would have purchased a vehicle with an average selling price higher than the Tesla Model S, which begins at $75,000 for the 70D version.
Well, and that IS the point - in 2015 manufacturers of the Oberklasse vehicles failed to attract 25% of US buyers that are willing to spend $100K on a car, while suffering DECLINING YoY sales...
Well, and that IS the point.