MarcG
Active Member
I'm very familiar with RB rotors, having owned a set on my M3P. They are nice and black when new, but that coating goes away after bedding them in (an absolute must before driving spiritedly!)
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Kondo
Member
When I bought the 2014 P85 I had never spent that much on a car... $106,000 and it was pretty stripped. Fully loaded a P85 was $135.000. I consider the Plaid a bargain compared to 2014 prices. It is like getting a computer, cheaper year after year. I also bought TSLA before the P85 and was underwater for 5 years. I am keeping the P85 with 110,000 miles and the Plaid was paid for by TSLA Stock.
Hm so considering it's only $9000 for a Plaid rear drive unit, I wonder if it would be possible to get one of those and install it into an LR to turn it into a Plaid and save $30k. Would need root access though.
MarcG
Active Member
By the way, all this talk about Porsche vs Tesla handling is like comparing apples to oranges - completely different animals.
If I tracked on a much more regular basis, I would have probably gone for the LR for every day driving (incl. having fun in mountain roads) and bought a lightweight dedicated track car (likely a used Porsche) with the spare ~50k.
But I have too many other hobbies to justify having a dedicated track car, and don't want to deal with parking and insurance for 2 cars of my own (we have another Model S in the household and live in SF).
IMHO, the Plaid does a lot of things amazingly well, and is still really fun to drive on twisty roads. I'll reserve judgment once I finally get to track it, but even with a much lighter M3P (700-some lbs less), I fully realize the limitations of a heavy electric car (Taycan included).
I have driven plenty of Porsches, Ferraris, McLarens, etc. on the track to know weight and suspension/brake setup is everything. Power is nice but you can have so much fun and make up lap time in the corners with a properly balanced, track-oriented/dedicated car.
Until the Roadster comes out with 4680 cells and shaves tons of weight off the existing line-up, I don't think anyone in their right mind can say Tesla is making a track-oriented car. The Plaid does make up for lap times with amazing acceleration, but even with torque vectoring it will not be able to handle corners anything like a lightweight gasmobile. Doesn't mean it can’t still be tons of fun for the occasional track day.
Ultimately it really depends what you value most, and to me Tesla did a heck of a job covering a LOT of use cases with ONE car: the Plaid. It's comfortable, quiet, FAST as heck, handles decently well, but brakes weirdly and will never corner as well as track-oriented cars.
Best part for me: it doesn't produce any emissions while letting me enjoy spirited driving without the guilt of contributing to climate change
If I tracked on a much more regular basis, I would have probably gone for the LR for every day driving (incl. having fun in mountain roads) and bought a lightweight dedicated track car (likely a used Porsche) with the spare ~50k.
But I have too many other hobbies to justify having a dedicated track car, and don't want to deal with parking and insurance for 2 cars of my own (we have another Model S in the household and live in SF).
IMHO, the Plaid does a lot of things amazingly well, and is still really fun to drive on twisty roads. I'll reserve judgment once I finally get to track it, but even with a much lighter M3P (700-some lbs less), I fully realize the limitations of a heavy electric car (Taycan included).
I have driven plenty of Porsches, Ferraris, McLarens, etc. on the track to know weight and suspension/brake setup is everything. Power is nice but you can have so much fun and make up lap time in the corners with a properly balanced, track-oriented/dedicated car.
Until the Roadster comes out with 4680 cells and shaves tons of weight off the existing line-up, I don't think anyone in their right mind can say Tesla is making a track-oriented car. The Plaid does make up for lap times with amazing acceleration, but even with torque vectoring it will not be able to handle corners anything like a lightweight gasmobile. Doesn't mean it can’t still be tons of fun for the occasional track day.
Ultimately it really depends what you value most, and to me Tesla did a heck of a job covering a LOT of use cases with ONE car: the Plaid. It's comfortable, quiet, FAST as heck, handles decently well, but brakes weirdly and will never corner as well as track-oriented cars.
Best part for me: it doesn't produce any emissions while letting me enjoy spirited driving without the guilt of contributing to climate change
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You would need to replace the front drive unit as well. And cabling/wire harnesses. Possibly cooling differences.
Nice! Shouldn't it be $14,000 less than if ordered today? I thought they gave all pre-refresh orders a $2000 discount due to the price increase. So you should have $2,000 from that, $2,000 from FSD, and $10,000 foro the price increase on the initial refresh price to now.
And then sell both original drive units. Seems feasible but not practical.
lbowroom
Plaid, white on black, CF, 8/27/21, Track Pack
And the battery which delivers the current
Thank you for your answer
On the contrary, I think there is some chronology.
I found here TMC, Youtube and FB of the VIN,s and the dates of manufacture.
Here is my little file
So far they appear to be using the same battery in the LR and Plaid.
I agree and that was exactly my point. This is why I’m purchasing a Tesla as a daily driver. That wasn’t my argument. They are two different cars. Apples to oranges.By the way, all this talk about Porsche vs Tesla handling is like comparing apples to oranges - completely different animals.
If I tracked on a much more regular basis, I would have probably gone for the LR for every day driving (incl. having fun in mountain roads) and bought a lightweight dedicated track car (likely a used Porsche) with the spare ~50k.
But I have too many other hobbies to justify having a dedicated track car, and don't want to deal with parking and insurance for 2 cars of my own (we have another Model S in the household and live in SF).
IMHO, the Plaid does a lot of things amazingly well, and is still really fun to drive on twisty roads. I'll reserve judgment once I finally get to track it, but even with a much lighter M3P, I fully realize the limitations of a heavy electric car (Taycan included).
I have driven plenty of Porsches, Ferraris, McLarens, etc. on the track to know weight and suspension/brake setup is everything. Power is nice but you can have so much fun with a properly balanced, track-oriented/dedicated car.
Until the Roadster comes out with 4680 cells and shaves tons of weight off the existing line-up, I don't think anyone in their right mind can say Tesla is making a track-oriented car. They do make up for lap times with acceleration, but even with torque vectoring they will not be able to handle corners anything like a lightweight gasmobile. Doesn't mean they're not still tons of fun for the occasional track day.
Ultimately it really depends what you value most, and to me Tesla did a heck of a job covering a LOT of use cases with ONE car: the Plaid. It's comfortable, quiet, FAST as heck, handles decently well, but brakes weirdly and will never corner as well as track-oriented cars.
Best part for me: it doesn't produce any emissions while letting me enjoy spirited driving without the guilt of contributing to climate change
jebinc
Well-Known Member
Shout out to the community who have already taken delivery (X-post)- Can we have a few members go out any see if your rear seats auto flip flat when you activate the seat release buttons in the trunk on the driver's side? My MY has the same buttons and the seats are motorized and flip to lower position automatically. With my three times the price Plaid, the only thing that happens is the seats unlock and you still have to reach forward and push the seats down yourself. How does your LR/Plaid work?
The battery is exactly the same, it even has the two HV ports at the back and only one is used in the LR.
lbowroom
Plaid, white on black, CF, 8/27/21, Track Pack
Of course they are all different cars. I can easily argue that a Miata is a more capable track car then either the Porsche or a Tesla. I just question what seems to be your stance that every Porsche automatically has track superiority over any Tesla because of its superior “handling”. Throw in the dollars spent factor and you can really open up this argument.
My reservation ($1,000 deposit) was originally a Plaid that I ordered on Battery Day (9/22/20 when it was announced) It became a Plaid+ reservation when the current Plaids came along. I had it converted to a Plaid shortly after the Plaid+ was canceled. So no price increase was actually experienced. People who got $2k off actually got a $8k price increase. vs a $10k price increase over pre-refresh pricing. Tesla just discounted 2k of the increase to ease the pain…
lbowroom
Plaid, white on black, CF, 8/27/21, Track Pack
My bad, I thought he was wanting to upgrade an earlier S.
patt0n
Member
Sorry in advance if this is a dumb question, but I think my car was delivered to the SC today. Is it possible to go after hours and just look at it in the lot?
Definitely, over time. Just saying it’s not necessarily sequential.
There is a lack of precision in this data for both VIN#s & dates.
Car looks amazing! Can you share a few more angles?
I wasn’t able to @ the Portland OR SC. Apparently, it was actually in a nearby warehouse where it is initially received and possibly prepped. They let me look at cars on premises (exterior only)
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