sandpiper
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So you've found those same issues? Here I thought I was the only one.
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So you've found those same issues? Here I thought I was the only one.
If I prefer serenity over noise, can I not be a "car guy"?
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Good post, as are most in this thread...
You confuse pseudoscience with discussions of emotion. I am also against pseudoscience - don't get me started on the $200M donation to UCI med school announced today by Mr. Samueli.This is easily the most absurd conversation I've seen in my 3 years on this site. . And there have some doozies.
Next up... a discussion about how the Psychoscrotal EM field generated by a Tesla causes ED. And how wrapping the charge cable with the bark from the Brazilian Hokopoko tree linearly transformates the field, protecting the occupants from deflationary effects.
By no soul, I would assume they mean it lacks garishness and it's motor doesn't make a lot of noise.I have been reading this a lot lately and I know this might be a very controversial subject but I wanted to hear some explanations about this idea, that the Model S has no soul.
So the first thing I want to say as I am relatively new here and an admitted fanboy. For me, there is no better car in the world, and I'm wondering if the "no soul" argument is simply a BS way to push back against innovation.
I also don't get the "real car guys would never drive an electric" argument.
I consider myself a "real car guy". Do, I do my own oil changes in my driveway? No, but who gets to define "real car guy"? Why do my hands have to be covered in grease to be a "real car guy"?
Meaning, if I love a quiet ride, instant torque, technology and innovation, why am I not a "real car guy"? If I marvel at how smooth my Model S is over the herky-jerky transmission of my IS350, does it make me less of a car guy? If I prefer serenity over noise, can I not be a "car guy"?
As an admitted atheist... I don't believe humans have souls (but that is an entirely different thread) but when I read people (even "experts") saying the Model S has "no soul", what does it mean? What and who gets to define the soul of an inanimate object?
I remember back with the invention of the CD, music "purists" decried them as a bastardization of sound one could get from a record. Today, most music comes via hard drives and downloads. The notion that the old way was better would largely be ridiculed. I am wondering if the same will be true with electric cars. I kind of see it as inevitable.
Again, not sure what is meant by "soul" but if it means putting a smile on my face every time I sit down, my Model S has plenty of soul.
I am not confident "soul" is just about the ICE, though.
At least in Europe "soul" has been often associated with a certain kind of vehicle, e.g. Italian supercars have it, German sports cars don't necessarily. Soul is often the anti-thesis of efficient, practical and good.
Not every ICE is thought of as having "soul".
A perception of soul often also comes from tradition. Tesla doesn't have that much of it yet.
Well... if we're going to make up terms, define them and then render arbitrary judgments against them, then I might as well join the fun.
hoogzam
ho͞ogzam/
noun
So... now having defined this, let's open the debate.
- the ethereal sense that your intestines are being silently, powerfully and effortlessly sucked through the back of you spine and into the seatback, as you stomp on the accelerator.
My Tesla is the first car I've ever had that really has hoogzam. I've ridden in a bunch of high end cars from the Italians and Germans. And they just don't have it. Don't get me wrong. A Ferrari is low slung, flashy and all that. And the roar when you step on the pedal is kinda cool. But the car just doesn't have any hoogzam. For me... it's all about hoogzam.
Look, I freely adming having "soul" is a made-up concept. Most of culture is.
Art is a made up concept.
But I am saying there are certain things than more often than others - in the automotive world - are described as having "soul". Italian supercars are one such thing.
Teslas, it seems, are not. Luckily they are hoogzam.
The Mission E, has the potential to have a LOT of hoogzam.
Soul is living and enjoying with the unique idiosyncrasies of your car. Hitting the dash to get the radio to work, the slight jiggle needed to turn the knob on the vent setting from floor to defrost, that exact RPM to get the gear out of first without grinding, etc. Alfa's have lots of soul for this reason.
I just got a Tesla. Just to tease me, the suspension automatically raises and lowers near my house but at work, where is actually needed, requires manual operation. To keep me from being complacent, the garage door opener only sometimes works on Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays. The door handles periodically need an affectionate nudge to open... For these reasons, I like to think my Tesla has as much "soul" as any Alfa or any other italian car.
Soul is living and enjoying with the unique idiosyncrasies of your car. Hitting the dash to get the radio to work, the slight jiggle needed to turn the knob on the vent setting from floor to defrost, that exact RPM to get the gear out of first without grinding, etc. Alfa's have lots of soul for this reason.
I just got a Tesla. Just to tease me, the suspension automatically raises and lowers near my house but at work, where is actually needed, requires manual operation. To keep me from being complacent, the garage door opener only sometimes works on Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays. The door handles periodically need an affectionate nudge to open... For these reasons, I like to think my Tesla has as much "soul" as any Alfa or any other italian car.