mspohr
Well-Known Member
Musk took over in 2004. You may recall that Tesla had no products or customers at that stage.Actually, Tesla CS was truly top-notch the first few years and then Musk took over...the rest is history.
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Musk took over in 2004. You may recall that Tesla had no products or customers at that stage.Actually, Tesla CS was truly top-notch the first few years and then Musk took over...the rest is history.
Oh please.
The Model S is an iconic design and is one of the best car designs ever. I wish people would stop with this nonsense of a complete exterior redesign of the Model S. The shape of the Model S is clean, elegant, modern, and timeless. I especially love what a sleeper the Model S design is, especially in the performance trim. Love that it does not have cheap plastic bits glued to it to make it look more "aggressive" or cry out for attention like a 10 year old. By comparison, Those AMG Mercedes cars look tacky AF.
Do people clamor for Porsche to change the look of the 911? Of course not, because they got that design right. While they make subtle enhancements, the core design and look is the same. The Model S is just as good of a design or even better. Franz is a maestro of car design with how great he made a car as large as the Model S look. I hope they keep the shape the same.
Actually, Tesla CS was truly top-notch the first few years and then Musk took over...the rest is history.
Bumpers have changed over the years. Also they've "muscled out" the wheel flares. Other than that, not much has changed. Roofline, hood, engine cover rear hatch, doors, headlights, fenders are the same.It's a good looking car, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but no, gotta disagree with you there. As a two-time 911 owner there are more than subtle enhancements to be had between generations. And there are changes. Meanwhile, Tesla is almost at 9 years with literally just a nose refresh. That's seriously long in the tooth.
at least improve the fasteners and retainers
I just don’t need 500 miles of range or 1100HP
I agree that the Model S is a timeless design. Same as the Porsche 911 which is essentially the same for 55 years. Don't change it.
(OT) I don't know why people are having these problems with service. I've had my Model S for 6 years and have always had excellent service. Last few services were at my home. Couldn't be easier or more convenient.
Bumpers have changed over the years. Also they've "muscled out" the wheel flares. Other than that, not much has changed. Roofline, hood, engine cover rear hatch, doors, headlights, fenders are the same.
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All my service has been in N. California (Palo Alto, Rocklin) and Reno. Nothing but stellar service every time. (YMMV)It's because you happen to be in a Service Center area with decent service.
But they have no national standards for service centers. Look how the loaner policy changes so drastically from region to region.
Those of us who are stuck in regions with poor service centers -- and more importantly regions with poor policies/resource limitations that result in awful service -- we are completely screwed.
I have friends in the DC area and their service experience is miserable at both service centers.
To be clear, people at the service centers are doing the best they can with the policies and resources handed to them and therein lies the problem
I agree. For the first few years after buying a P85D in 2015 it was great. Then model 3 volumes ramped and the rest is history.Disagree with this. Customer service was fine when I bought my Model 3 in 2018. But that was before they sold a half million of them. Now that they've got so many more cars on the road they are totally overwhelmed. Has nothing to do with Musk. Simply numbers. Which lead to new people with bad training and overloaded people.
Imagine standing there in 1965 and having the 2020 model materialize in front of you. It wouldn't look like any other car you've ever seen. There has definitely been change. Change that preserved the essence of the car, but change nevertheless.Bumpers have changed over the years. Also they've "muscled out" the wheel flares. Other than that, not much has changed. Roofline, hood, engine cover rear hatch, doors, headlights, fenders are the same.
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The S still looks fantastic/beautiful/sexy to me. Few designs have aged as well as the S. The S looks so good I'm worried the next redesign will be a step backwards visually.
Tesla has a policy of continous improvement. When something better is designed they implement it soonest possible.
Legacy manufacturers cling to the model year policy where they save all their bits and pieces and release refreshes every few years and complete new models when they need to increase sales.
Since the S has come out they have changed out the nose, tail, seats, dash, computer, brakes, wiring, interior lighting, exterior lighting, suspension components and design, batteries, battery cases, battery pack construction, battery pack sizes, crash components, motors, wheels, tires, headliners, seating, controls, steering wheel, frunk, filtering systems, charging systems...pretty much every component on the car has been improved or enhanced.
Bottom line is that if they spent tons of money and valuable engineering time, they could produce a fresh design, but it probably would not sell significantly better due to the release.
Imagine standing there in 1965 and having the 2020 model materialize in front of you. It wouldn't look like any other car you've ever seen. There has definitely been change. Change that preserved the essence of the car, but change nevertheless.
Disagree with this. Customer service was fine when I bought my Model 3 in 2018. But that was before they sold a half million of them. Now that they've got so many more cars on the road they are totally overwhelmed. Has nothing to do with Musk. Simply numbers. Which lead to new people with bad training and overloaded people.
From your comment, It seems to me that Tesla should consider separating the brandCurrent model S owner here, I doubt it highly I will replace my S with another Tesla unless there are major updates.
I will definitely be looking at the EQS, eTron GT, Lucid, etc...