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Model S order "confirmed"

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Ulmo, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. Ulmo

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    Today I confirmed my Model S order. I've been here on TMC talking for a while, but I feel like I should introduce myself as someone with an actual factory product in process for real this time. This will be my first Tesla :D

    Ordered Options: Due to my financial situation, I went as cheap as possible, except for the must-haves. In my case, the must-haves are:
    • HEPA air filter since I want clean air (in the Premium Upgrades Package (PUP)) $3,000
    • Sound (Ultra High Fidelity Sound), because I listen to Classical music and am extremely picky about quality of sound $2,500
    • Dual Motor, only because I absolutely knew I would regret it if I did not get this. I almost did not order this, and then I realized this would have been a huge regret for a long time (one factor in this decision is that I do copious twisty mountain driving). Too bad, too, since it costs $5,000.
    Since my Must-Haves are not available CPO, and Inventory is too expensive due to the options I want, I had to do a factory order in order to get them at a price point I can afford.

    Lucky options: Here are the items I lucked out on in terms of options that come standard with the above that I prefer:
    • Standard Suspension instead of Smart Air Suspension (SAS). A while back, I did an A-B comparison between two cars which I discussed at Smart Air Suspension: what does it mean and is it installable later? , and found out I actually prefer the Standard Suspension in terms of ride quality. This is a great opportunity for me to save a lot of money on this feature ($2,500). If I was forced to get Smart Air Suspension, I actually like air suspension in my Mercedes and liked the test drives I did in all the Model S's and Model X's with Smart Air Suspension, so I would be happy with SAS, for instance, in a used Model S, any Model X which I would actually want (which I would get with towing and max length cargo, both which require SAS), or in a fully loaded Model S (because why not if I had the $ and it would count toward the "fully loaded" tag, which at this time is unimportant to me (see next point), I absolutely don't need, can't afford).
    • I have always wanted a happy colored car. Today, white is one of the best happy colors. It is, after all, all colors. I prefer Pearl White, but I need to scrimp and save everywhere, and plain White is better financially, since it is the cheapest. It's also good in another way: I do not want to look pretentious. Here's why. I actually like looking pretentious 80% of the time, when I'm around other pretentious people, or other people that are so annoying that I want to separate myself from them. But, there are four cases where I do not like being pretentious: whenever I'm around my mate, spouse (here's hoping), or other such person(s); whenever I'm around those assessing my financial situation in any way (this ties in with all these points actually); whenever I'm around jealous people (so driving anywhere that's not fancy, which I must do); and whenever I'm parked even within earshot of anybody at where I work, since they are intensely value-minded folk, and would take offense at anything that is not value-minded, up to and including vandalism (which on a Tesla could be expensive). Perfect: cheapest and happiest color, and the least pretentious of them all. This trumps my preference for a top-notch beautiful car. I can always wrap or spray-coat it with other colors, reversibly, if I find the opportunity.
    • Upgradable options: this allows me to get them later if I want them and have the money. This includes +15kWh more in the battery (saved $8,500 during order), Autopilot Convenience Features (saved $3,000 during order), High Amperage Charger Upgrade (saved $1,500 during order), and the wheels (see next point). I can upgrade Autopilot for $3,500 and the charger for $1,900. I don't know how much +15kWh is. Before I make that decision, I will check to see if upgrading to the highest range battery (100kWh now) is possible, and financially what I want to do. This also includes Dark Ash Wood Decor (see below): I prefer the Matte Obeche Wood Decor, but I can wrap that later if I want, so this saves $750.
    • Standard wheels: I prefer the larger sidewall tires, since around here, the smaller sidewall tires get chewed up too fast. These are no additional cost. If I ever can afford lower-sprung rolling weight (which I of course prefer), I can go to T-Sportline or another vendor and get the best carbon fiber wheels. I would still prefer larger sidewall. I might optimize at 20" size if I go that route, and still stick with the best brand tire that Tesla recommends, or something better if the market has it. I've had bad experience straying too far from the recommended tires on my Mercedes. I of course would have to swap in the factory wheels every time it goes in for service. I already purchased a jack that makes that easy. I'll have to confirm its lifting points.
    • Seats. I prefer the Multi-Pattern Black Seats, not because of their color (ugh), but because of how they feel. While I would prefer the seats in the Model X over any seat in the Model S, and would like white or at least tan, and would like perforated, I do not have the money for a Model X (see below). So, I lucked out here in saving $2,500.
    • Body Color Roof (saves $1,500): I carefully studied headroom, and found out with my long trunk (I haven't measured it), Body Color Roof gives me more headroom, and lets me see a bit more high up above the car (such as red lights, etc., a huge safety factor). Luckily, white roof means less sun heat, too.
    • > 6' cargo room, for when I'm between hotels and run out of being awake. I can go back there and sleep.
    Regrets: I am not hugely regretful about these items, but if money were no object, these are things I would personally like to have gotten:
    • Model X. I hugely prefer the comfort, visibility, and space inside a model X for the driver and middle row passengers, and its ability to tow. Unfortunately, I also need the 6' space (see last point above) and would never get a Model X without towing (I'd use towing a lot), so I need the Captain's Chair configuration (6 seater) which requires Smart Air Suspension, and that with the premium for Model X puts the total price +$15K over the Model S I ordered, which I just can't afford today. Also, with the Model X, I'd really want the best seats.
    • Dark Ash Wood Decor. While it's OK, I would have preferred the Matte Obeche Wood Decor ($750). This I can upgrade later by wrapping it with something I prefer, so this is an opportunity to save $750.
    • Any configuration which allows me to have a lighter interior colored seats. I think this means, for me, the Model X, since I don't like Model S next gen seats (they hurt, since I'm wide boned). I can always wrap the seats, later.
    • 90D battery. Longer range and faster charging would be nice.
    • P100DL. I mean, yeah. Duh. Longer range, faster charging, and no problem repositioning the car where I want to.
    • Subzero Weather Package. I would have preferred having it on any configuration, but where I live, it is unnecessary, and saves $1,000.
    My referral code is Referral | Tesla "brad4676" and although I don't get a $1,000 credit for everyone I sign up (which I could have used), it does give you $1,000 off. I learned the hard way that you have to click on that link when you first want to configure, otherwise you have to call in to Customer Service (Sales phone # found in Contacts) or tell the order specialist at the store my referral code is "brad4676".

    Due to my expected use patterns (I averaged 39,752 miles per year in my Mercedes between October 5, 2012 and August 27, 2016, and I graphed a bunch of milage timepoints, and it's prettymuch a straight line, so it's pretty consistent, and I would often rent a car for long trips while my ever-breaking-down Mercedes was in the shiop), I assumed I would do 50,000 miles per year on this car. This eliminates lease options as sensible, and requires that I maximize my warranty coverage. I am going to roll the dice and get the 8 year service plan within 60 days of delivery, and the 4 year extended warranty coverage before the 50,000 mile mark. This means I have some type of warranty coverage up to 100,000 miles. I expect to reach that in 2 to 3 years. Then, I will continue to drive the car until it starts to fall apart, then trade it in. I will either get a Model X if I can afford it, a Model S if I can afford it but not a Model X, or a Model 3 or Y if that is the better option for me at that time. I will likely try to get a CPO Model X with the options I want, so someone out there please order a fully loaded Model X with white or tan perferated seats, Pearl White exterior, towing, Captain's Chair (6 seat) configuration, etc.... ;)

    I am getting solar panels installed, and will be getting a panel upgrade, so will get the 100 Amp charging options installed. I already ordered all the charging accessories, and am awaiting delivery of those items. I will plug in and charge to maximum recommended level every time I come home, since I often go on long distance trips; about 1,000 miles per week. Whenever I work, I work a one hour drive away over a hill, too, so whenever I return from a normal commute, I'll have used up a good portion of charge.
     
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  2. Ulmo

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    Congratulations! It is a completely different driving experience!
     
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  4. Ulmo

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    #4 Ulmo, Aug 28, 2016
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    I got a quote from my current insurer that said my rate with full coverage would be $682/month with $2,500 deductible. An earlier quote I got was around $250/month. Talk about bait and switch. I'll be hunting around for coverage. This equates to more than a quarter of the value of my vehicle.

    Geico quotes $528.88/month with $2,500 deductable (6 month $3,139). That's much better. I'll have to confirm this rate with online reps.

    I am not eligible for USAA (apparently my dad never used them).

    Alliant Credit Union refers to an operation called ESurance (which to me sounds like a sham operation), and ESurance quoted me $3,629.87/month with $2,500 deductable ($21,787.91 for 6 months). I think I won't go with Alliant Credit Union or ESurance. That's about the scam I would expect from anything coming out of Chicago.
     
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    Congratulations, I get mine end of October... So excited...
     
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  6. Ulmo

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    Apparently "Travelers Insurance" is not for Travelers, because "Tesla is driven more than 25,000 miles annually." They do not follow in the footsteps of their name. Another lying company.
     
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    Wow, those are scary numbers. I would have had to pass on the Tesla if I was quoted premiums like that. My Geico is $620/6 months, and that includes covering liability on another vehicle...
     
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    Thank you! Yes, I'm looking forward to driving calmly in my little sound studio.
    Thank you. Yes ... I am happy.
     
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    Yes. I made my decision based on quotes I got before confirming, then once I confirmed, the quotes are 3x or more. I guess overtime is in my future. Last time I worked overtime to pay auto insurance, I got in the worst car crash of my life, due to fatigue. I'll have to make certain this overtime work isn't going to tax me beyond what I can handle (physically). But, it's upsetting that these insurance scams continue.
     
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    It has been reported that Tesla has changed how they do their VINs and some insurance companies are mis-interpreting the VIN as a P90DL, thus giving a much higher rate. If you did not give the VIN in the initial quote, then after giving it got a much higher rate, you might check on that...
     
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    Congratulations!!! I have had my model S for almost a month now and I'm completely obsessed!
     
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    Gosh, I think I'd better call my insurance agent for a quote before ordering.
     
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    If you haven't tried Progressive you might give them a shot. They quoted me less than what I am paying my current insurer on my 6 year old vehicle that KBB says is worth about $15K.
     
  14. Ulmo

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    #14 Ulmo, Sep 12, 2016
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    Random ruminations on my order:

    I pretty much knew that Model S Premium Upgrade Package (PUP) did not come with self-presenting doors (compared to the Model X, for which PUP includes self-presenting doors). Today, I confirmed this, and was slightly saddened to not be pleasantly surprised that I was mistaken. I noticed that the Model X PUP is $1,500 more, which covers this difference. Then I also noticed that if I do not order $2,500 seats for the Model S with PUP, I do not get ventilated seats, even though ventilated seats are a feature of PUP for the $2,500 more expensive seats. One of the reasons I do not want the more expensive seats on Model S is that they are very uncomfortable for me (my wide-boned back doesn't fit), and the cheaper textile seats are more comfortable (they poke my sides less), so I am glad I had the opportunity for that option.

    This is one case where the Model X is superior but more expensive in every way: the PUP seats for Model X come with ventilation, I find them very comfortable, and PUP means self-presenting doors, but this adds an automatic $4,000 over the price of the Model S: an additional $1,500 for PUP (Model S PUP is $3,000 and Model X PUP is $4,500), and Model X PUP requires premium seats ($2,500, vs. $0 for PUP on a Model S if you forgo the premium seats, since they are not required). That extra $4,000 is worth it if the money is available, since: (a) you get self-presenting doors (a luxury item that can fail, but is nice), (b) you get ventilated seats (essentially just a fan that circulates cabin air, if I'm not mistaken), (c) for wide-boned back people like me, the Model X premium seats are acceptable unlike the Model S premium seats, and (d) you can choose a nice color (white, beige, etc.) rather than the ugly black that the Model S textile comes in. This is one category for which I will be happy to trade in for a Model X (I'm hoping for a highly-optioned CPO), once my Model S has seen its days, if I can afford it then. If my finances are not great, I will be happy to not have gotten accustomed to the superior Model X interior, if I have to downgrade to a Model 3.

    While talking about Model X increased costs in the lower cost ranges, I have to mention that as I explained in my original post, there are other reasons why the Model X costs more, too: requires Dual Motor; requires Smart Air Suspension (SAS) if you want to take advantage of towing, and I absolutely want to take advantage of towing. My original post explains the price difference overall. What occurred to me today, however, is how much of that has to do with the seat and motorized door price difference.

    The Model X is more car, so it is more money. More interior sitting space, more comfortable, and more gizmos (towing, self-presenting doors, falcon wing doors). Towing is both a gizmo (it requires Smart Air Suspension and only tows 5,000 pounds for a short distance on a hugely expensive vehicle with heavy per-mile depreciation) and a utility, since if you have short-distance hauls and can afford the additional cost of a trailer setup and added wear and tear on the Model X, it can increase your load capacity immensely. For any true-believer in using electric cars who has the money and actually has a lot to haul short distances, the towing option is a gizmo that is truly wonderful.

    Hopefully the Model Y will introduce a wider range of options in regard to utility. I might end up down the road with a Model 3 + Model Y in the family, as one potential workable setup, once my Model S is used up. Another middle-ground option would be to keep my Model S and also get a Model Y. That would allow two drivers on different errands, whereas trading in my S for just a CPO X would only serve one driver. My family makeup at that time and my finances will both be taken into consideration.

    So far, I haven't seen any viable competition from other brands, so I don't know what possibilities I will have to choose from when my Model S is ready to trade in, replace, or augment. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
     
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    Wow, what did you order, an "L" model? My six-month quote for a S60 with GEICO was about $550 for all six months and my deductibles were super low. Something doesn't sound right.
     
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    I have Kemper insurance. It was only a bit more than my Honda Civic. Full coverage about $1,000/year.
     
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    Today I received the total amount of the car: $83,614.75. That's almost $6 more than I had estimated: $83,609. I'd say that's ballpark. Now, let's see if I can send in the balance owed soon (since some is paid already). (That number is after tax, before tax incentive, so I'll end up deducing the incentive from the tax I pay in April.)
     
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    #19 Ulmo, Oct 22, 2016
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    Well, that went through. I hope someone is enjoying my first ordered car. I am rather disappointed that I could not roll my investments into a payment on time to pick up this vehicle. However, thankfully, during the factory shutdown, they were able to find a use for it (they told me it got assigned to marketing purposes until the 12th while I was trying to decide to try to get it back, and I presume by now they have sold it). Unfortunately, that meant a brand new order, and I'm in the same boat as most everyone else right now, waiting for my "Late November - December" delivery. That represents a three month delay over what I originally planned to do. Gosh darn my big thumbed timing on rolling investments over into payments (if I had done everything two days earlier, I'd be a happy Tesla driver already). I'm paying through the nose for a rental until then, a big ugly ICE, that scares a lot of the people around me, and freaks me out as unsafe every time I drive it. Life has a way of deciding its own path, sometimes, so I'm just going with it.

    You guessed it: there is a silver lining. I am happy to report that I will be in the group of people that get AP-HW2. Although this won't defray all the costs for my goof ups, it will defray some of my costs for renting that darn clunky ICE when it comes for resale value. For monetary reasons, I am getting no AP at all in initial delivery. This puts me in a rather unique boat: someone who can upgrade to AP1 features for $3,500 (since I ordered before AP2 HW announcement), but on AP2 hardware (since my vehicle is being produced post-AP2 HW announcement). I might actually do this, if the money and timing is right, in many months from now, depending on my exact situation, as a way to get into upgraded features without having to pay the full $6,000 upgrade to Enhanced; this would make sense if I had a $3,500 budget for this, but not a $6,000 budget for this, and the additional features would still be valuable to me. It would also make sense if that $3,500 built equal equity to the next steps (the $6,000 for Enhanced and $10,000 total for Full), since it would just be a bunch of incremental steps. Then, there's always the possibility I get more (or less) money than I expect, and can make other decisions. This really puts me in the driver's seat. This is some consolation for not having my original ordered car, but not much.

    I wish I had that HEPA filter already. I feel like I gag on pollution every time I drive my rental these days. (Even my slightly better Mercedes E500 air filter was far better than the stuff they seem to have in cheaper cars these days.)

    Today, I straightened this all out with insurance, which is what prompted me to come here and post today. For those reading this with a fine tooth comb, I'll mention I decided to double-barrel it and get a month with both my agent's selected insurance carrier (Progressive) and an alternate (Geico), and see what shook out (so I was carrying double insurance for a month). I found my insurance agent which I have used for half a decade to be very helpful. Due to the selected carrier, and the complications due to the above and other address, coverage and persons changes on my policy, and a renewal happening at the same time, it jambed some status up, and I offered to be passed directly to the carrier, and they said that would be a good idea, so I got to talk to the selected carrier as well (Progressive), who was very helpful, and we got that straightened out (and now I'm waiting for the overnight update to take effect, which she said was "24-48 hours or so"). I'll get to upload those docs to My Tesla when that's done. Not thinking about that delay, I hurried to resolve all of this, and in my hurry, called the alternate (Geico) to cancel, as I had already selected coverage with my primary agent successfully (and during the call, realized that I really ought to wait for the primary docs to finalize, and so told her that I'd call back when that's done before cancelling). But, the enjoyable part of this (if there's ever an enjoyable part to paying a huge chunk of income to insurers) is that all three people I talked to were very helpful and very nice, and spoke very clear English, that we all understood. I laughed at one of them silently, because she said "do do-do do", the same way everyone in my family would while working a computer to get something to come out of it. Very USA.

    Now, I know the insurance carriers treat us nicely on the phone while raking in huge amounts of money from us, but it's a nice touch to a system where they've realized that having someone who speaks our language is a good way to conduct business, and I want to acknowledge that.

    By the way, I have had a great time with the various Tesla Store staff that answered my questions and helped me with the orders. Because I currently live in "Santa Cruz County" (which has no Tesla Store), and travel often to Silicon Valley (mostly work) and Monterey (mostly personal) areas, as one can imagine, I didn't have much proximal affinity for any local Tesla Store, so that actually caused various issues, since I would start a conversation at one, and continue it at another. But, during all this, somehow, the first store I ever went to, and which I kept returning to in the middle of my busy days, Santana Row, got attached to many aspects of my orders, and I have to say already that during the time they had my order, Alex Tanquary was extremely helpful and easy to work with. She always stayed on top of things and was able to make things work out for me. Since I ordered online for Fremont pickup, the order has since been completely reassigned to the Mothership's very own store, so I'll go pick up in the belly of the beast, when it is time. If this experience has taught me anything, it is that once you find a good Tesla Store with good Tesla Store staff (which I found at, in order, Santana Row, Seaside and Palo Alto (south)), then it is best to order through them, even though to us geeks, it sort of feels like we're adding a brick and mortar layer. Really, that layer will be there anyway, so it is best that that layer be one that works well, and going through the stores can really be better than online (during this time in Tesla product lineup when Model S & X are available, but no Model 3 yet).

    I'm very excited to once again be anticipating this new new car, albeit late. Every time I go someplace in a vehicle, I'm reminded of lacking the vehicle I planned to purchase.

    About the "Santa Cruz County" store issue: I believe that there will be a lot of local environmentalists in Santa Cruz area that do not go "Over the Hill", or aren't "down with the snobs" in Carmel/Monterey (they really aren't snobs; I visit there a lot), and such, and would prefer to have a Tesla store actually in Santa Cruz area specifically. This would become important when Tesla starts selling to the masses of Model 3 buyers. Since Santa Cruz County is a nice backdrop for a lot of beautiful natural scenery, it would be a shame to cram a Tesla Store into any of the traditional car sales locations that are in the county (Auto Plaza Drive in Capitola and Ocean Street in Santa Cruz come to mind), because that would cause it to look ugly, and probably get a smaller amount of Tesla-specific foot traffic (not to mention a lot of traffic jambs, vandalism and accidents on Ocean Street). BUT, if it were on the auto mall (I'm thinking the Capitola one for this thought, but it might also to a degree be true for the other ones), it would of course get more awareness from general car buyers. I'm not quite sure which is better; if the latter, it would fall into the "necessary evil" category. I feel like the Seaside store is just that, considering the great scenic backdrops anybody could enjoy in the Monterey area (including Carmel, Pacific Grove, etc.). If I were Tesla, I'd at least price out the cost of making a Santa Cruz area store, and try the marketing advantages of a variety of locations.

    Thinking specifically about Ocean Street, all the vandalism, traffic accidents and traffic jambs from Ocean Street are part of the "first place you go" Beach Boardwalk drive from Highway 1 down to the over-a-century old Boardwalk, and people keep going there, so that right there would be a few eyeballs looking at the Tesla store. Usually as beach-goers, they'd be traveling in groups, and wouldn't want to stop after a very long ride. These days with younger people using smartphone apps to go everywhere, I bet there's a lot less traffic going directly down Ocean Street anymore, as people can go directly to their interested areas without having to "explore the main foot path" as it were, so that may be of limited interest to younger people as well as experienced people who have found other beaches to go to by now.
     
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    I just remembered another "auto mall" area on Water Street and Soquel Avenue between Capitola Road and downtown. Same concepts apply.
     

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