Model S parts from other automakers' models...

[Fr23shjive]

I know that the Model S is using many parts from Toyota and Daimler's vehicles. Does anybody have know what parts they took from these larger automakers?

Thanks.

 

[qwk]

The alpha hasn't been officially unveiled yet. LOL

Only Tesla knows.

 

[TEG]

Why so many questions?

(Some other threads by Fr23shjive):
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Thread: How will Tesla be profitable selling an electric 7-series for $57k?
Thread: Will Tesla do a press conference or a media event for the Alphbuild?
Thread: Will the Tesla Model S be at the Orange County auto show in Oct?
Thread: Will any companies be able to match Tesla's performance and range by 2012?
Thread: What will be the price difference on the batteries be?
Thread: Have you reserved your Model S or do you plan on it?
Thread: Toyota to take over Tesla in 2011?
Thread: Are you also investing in Tesla?
Thread: Tesla motivated the big automakers to pursue EVs?
Thread: Renting an extended range battery...is it an option?
Thread: Cliff notes on Roadster transmission problems...
Thread: Very interesting analysis of Tesla motors by JP Morgan analysts...

(etc.)

Are you a reporter, analyst or something like that?

 

[SByer]

Maybe it's John Peterson in disguise looking to write yet another head-up-the-*** hit piece?

(Just kidding, it's Friday).

 

[Fr23shjive]

Why so many pointed questions?

(Some other threads by Fr23shjive):
Thread: Is the Model X scheduled to be built before the "Bluestar"?
Thread: How will Tesla be profitable selling an electric 7-series for $57k?
Thread: Will Tesla do a press conference or a media event for the Alphbuild?
Thread: Will the Tesla Model S be at the Orange County auto show in Oct?
Thread: Will any companies be able to match Tesla's performance and range by 2012?
Thread: What will be the price difference on the batteries be?
Thread: Have you reserved your Model S or do you plan on it?
Thread: Toyota to take over Tesla in 2011?
Thread: Are you also investing in Tesla?
Thread: Tesla motivated the big automakers to pursue EVs?
Thread: Renting an extended range battery...is it an option?
Thread: Cliff notes on Roadster transmission problems...
Thread: Very interesting analysis of Tesla motors by JP Morgan analysts...

(etc.)

Are you a reporter, analyst or something like that?

No, just really interested in Tesla. When I first came here I thought this car was too good to be true. Even now, with everything I know it still seems unthinkable that a small car company can basically out do the large established car companies.

I've invested in Tesla but even if I hadn't I'd still be interested in the company. Honestly I think their technology will change the auto industry so I think its interesting to discuss. This is a discussion forum right?

 

[qwk]

I agree with the above. It's very hard to believe that a startup can get so many things right.

It has to be very imbarrassing to the big automakers.

 

[Todd Burch]

I agree with the above. It's very hard to believe that a startup can get so many things right.

It has to be very imbarrassing to the big automakers.

Probably similar to how NASA felt after SpaceX succeeded with relatively small cost & development time (although NASA did the pioneering in the 1950s/1960s).

 

[doug]

Why so many pointed questions?

Pointed? They seem like reasonable topics to me and have sparked good discussions. I appreciate them.

 

[kvietor]

I know that the Model S is using many parts from Toyota and Daimler's vehicles. Does anybody have know what parts they took from these larger automakers?

Thanks.

And how do you know this? No one has even seen the alpha model yet, let alone a final version of the Model S. But I'll let you know if I see any parts stamped with a Toyota or Daimler logo next week at the Detroit Auto Show.

 

[Fr23shjive]

And how do you know this? No one has even seen the alpha model yet, let alone a final version of the Model S. But I'll let you know if I see any parts stamped with a Toyota or Daimler logo next week at the Detroit Auto Show.

Im pretty sure they would do this because to completely design the car from the ground up would be really expensive. There was a few articles that stated that Tesla would "rummage" through Toyota and Daimler's parts bin for parts they needed. It just makes sense for them to access the larger automakers supply chain in order to cut costs.

I could've sworn I read an article which outlined which parts Tesla took from the other automakers. Cant find it now, I thought maybe somebody here would've seen the same article.

 

[TEG]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1939329820090519

... As part of the deal with Daimler, Musk said Tesla will use Mercedes Benz components such as airbags, sensors and possibly some suspension components in the Model S...

 

[kvietor]

Ah, those kind of parts! My mind was on all the electronics and such involved with the motor and batteries. Forgot about all those other parts still needed to make a car. :redface:

 

[vfx]

... As part of the deal with Daimler, Musk said Tesla will use Mercedes Benz components such as airbags, sensors and possibly some suspension components in the Model S...

Except we learned from the latest engineering tour videos that the suspension is Tesla design (though I supposed they could share bushings or hardened bolts or 'suppn).







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Can't pass on the irony of "embarrassing"

 

[TEG]

Anyone know the function of these different electric motors? :

http://green.autoblog.com/photos/tesla-model-s-alpha-build-prototype/full/#3770660

I think the one on top (in back) is for the power steering rack. How about the other? ABS braking? Vacuum booster?

I wonder who makes those.

 

[vfx]

Anyone know the function of these different electric motors? :....

Battery locking mechanism?

 

[Doug_G]

ABS braking? Vacuum booster?

I doubt there is any vacuum system in the car. Coolant pump? A/C compressor?

 

[TEG]

I doubt there is any vacuum system in the car.

Sometimes for regulatory and compliance reasons they end up needing to use legacy technology. Maybe even for cost savings. They might decide they need a vacuum assist (standard off the shelf part) for the power brakes, in which case they need a vacuum from somewhere.

ICE based cars were used to having engine vacuum available for anything they need so they would sometimes use it for cabin vent controls and such. It would be nice if Tesla managed to find replacements for everything vacuum based, but it is possible they found it cheaper & easier to stick with that "tried and true" technology for now.

I also wonder if there is a slight chance that they plan to use a hydraulic suspension dampening system... (?) Anyone see any springs or torsion bars in any of the pictures?

 

[SteveTheTech]

No, just really interested in Tesla. When I first came here I thought this car was too good to be true. Even now, with everything I know it still seems unthinkable that a small car company can basically out do the large established car companies.

I've invested in Tesla but even if I hadn't I'd still be interested in the company. Honestly I think their technology will change the auto industry so I think its interesting to discuss. This is a discussion forum right?

I came here with the same thoughts.

Having access to the Daimler and Toyota suppliers (including Bosch, Denso, and many others) would be one thing but it seems highly unlikely you would go behind a panel and see a Toyota logo, you might see a Bosch control unit or two, but it would be very well hidden I would bet.

Daimler just signed a significant deal with Nissan recently too. Companies are now going to great lengths to ensure they are green enough to stay in business here.

To me it seems like Tesla is on the verge of something great. I would strongly consider joining their team if they came to my neck of the woods.

 

[Doug_G]

Sometimes for regulatory and compliance reasons they end up needing to use legacy technology. Maybe even for cost savings. They might decide they need a vacuum assist (standard off the shelf part) for the power brakes, in which case they need a vacuum from somewhere.

As far as I know, the Roadster doesn't have any vacuum systems...

 

[Doug_G]

I know that the Model S is using many parts from Toyota and Daimler's vehicles. Does anybody have know what parts they took from these larger automakers?

Of course many of the parts in Toyotas etc. are made by outside suppliers, who can and already do make parts for Tesla.