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Discussion in 'Model S' started by Thorbjorn, Jul 29, 2017.
Though Tesla likes to lock in multi-year contracts. They may have a price locked in for the next few years.
I don't expect the tariffs to last very long. It may end up in the courts.
In any case, I think the tariff will hurt all the other car makers more than Tesla. Tesla has a high enough profit margin they could decide to eat the extra cost, especially if it looks like the tariff will be short lived. Their profits will go down, but they will buy good will with it. Especially if all the other car makers have to raise their prices.
I've heard of them and Kmanauto has them on his car. I've never seen them in the real world. I've searched for them and while there are a few single rims that come up on Ebay from time to time (usually refurbished), I've never seen a set.
So 1143 posts and 58 pages of discussion later...
Where is the Model S update/refresh?!
in the works.
I bet something interesting is coming in June.
I am wondering.. From reading these 58 pages it seems everyone is anticipating some major overhaul of the MS. Like new computer, new interior, maybe new exterior, new batteries.. All in one major overhaul.
But Tesla has never done such a major change all in once. It has always been minor adjustments. New front facia, new autopilot hardware, alcantera headliner, new seats, new battery packs, etc, etc. It has all been done pretty quietly and one step at a time.
Why would Tesla now make some sort of "Model S v2" that is totally different from the current design? Can someone explain to me why Tesla would do such a drastic change while they have always made little changes throughout
I think what people are speculating is changes to parts never-before changed - such as the MCU to a faster/new design, a change to the door panel w/added storage, a new dash design, or a new battery offering. I don’t think many expect or even hope for a complete redesign all in one move.
Well. Car makers normally make a new model every 8th year or so and a face lift in between. Tesla can't sell the same Model S forever, eventually it will be outdated. Of course Model S is not 8 years old yet. Is it 6 years now?
Yes but traditional car makers usually do a complete overhaul every X years. Tesla however has made changes gradually. Like the new front facia, the introduction of the various Autopilot hardware versions, upgrade to 4G, etc, etc. It has all been done silently and without a model name or type change
Traditional car makers do not make these small changes throughout, they do all the changes at once. Tesla has a history of doing small changes.
So I can imagine that perhaps they do a refresh of the interior, but I doubt that will be simultanously with eg. 2170 cells.
Outside has to change in some point and then you have to also change everything else, because they dont fit to a new chassis.
Oct 2014 was pretty major.
You can't just keep making small changes forever, at some point you need to redo the underlying structure. At which time it makes a lot of sense to upgrade everything else as well.
3 Months maybe....6 months definitely (You know how it works) Wait long enough and it will happen.
I predict that the refresh won't happen until after the Model 3 software is feature complete and mostly bug free. (Because a refreshed S/X will likely include an Intel Atom based MCU like the Model 3.)
Software currently missing:
Cold weather package support (rear seat heaters)
CHAdeMO support. (Probably not really related to the MCU.)
Trip energy graph
Fully functional media player.
Anything else that is missing on the 3?
And of course once those things are complete they would need to add the items that are unique to the S&X. So I still think a refresh isn't going to happen for a while.
Since when has missing software hindered Tesla's product launch
The Model S interior and exterior look does not match the Model X and Model 3. That is why Tesla needs to do a refresh. Look at the tail lights on the Model 3 and X compared to S, look at the improved interior and storage vs. S, faster touch screens in Model 3 and other advances such as ventilation, better glass roof on 3 than S, etc. Upgrading Model S on a rolling basis has not yielded any results in terms of getting Model S to keep up with its newer siblings. In 2020 the new Roadster will be coming and that will also have a much sleeker exterior and interior look.
True, however Tesla did refresh the fascia in 2016? and the seats have gone thru 3 gens. SO, there maybe an imminent interior update!!! this year, 2019, or 2020.
I look forward to retrofitting the new model S/X MCU, hopefully they keep it the same size/shape as the current.
In fact it's already implemented, it's part of 18.6 release. Also 18.6 mostly completes merging of 3 and s/x codebases, the manuals are now unified and such.