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Elon has said the S/X will get almost all new tech first. Tesla wants to test new tech in the real world on a platform that is proven, but built in somewhat low

And this is my main concern:

Keyfobless/Bluetooth entry
Interior selfie camera
Computer controlled vents
Better audio performance
Better headlights (albeit not cornering)
Faster MCU
Lighted vanity mirrors
MOSFETs replacing standard fuses
Wiring improvements (to critical functions like power steering)
Newer battery technology
Push button door opening
Dual charging phone dock (in a better location)

All of the above came to the Model 3 first and many remain only on the Model 3. The Model S is a good 8+ months behind at best when it should be leading the way at the time of purchase. I understand the need to ramp up the Model 3, but they seem to have enough time to be working on Y, a pickup, Roadster, Semi, and Home Energy. These are all important, but the Model S made them who they are so I think they should give it a little more attention.
 
And this is my main concern:

Keyfobless/Bluetooth entry
Interior selfie camera
Computer controlled vents
Better audio performance
Better headlights (albeit not cornering)
Faster MCU
Lighted vanity mirrors
MOSFETs replacing standard fuses
Wiring improvements (to critical functions like power steering)
Newer battery technology
Push button door opening
Dual charging phone dock (in a better location)

All of the above came to the Model 3 first and many remain only on the Model 3. The Model S is a good 8+ months behind at best when it should be leading the way at the time of purchase. I understand the need to ramp up the Model 3, but they seem to have enough time to be working on Y, a pickup, Roadster, Semi, and Home Energy. These are all important, but the Model S made them who they are so I think they should give it a little more attention.
Lighted vanity mirrors and push button opening came to the X first (possibly redundant wiring too with AP 2.5)
 
Keyfobless/Bluetooth entry
Interior selfie camera
Computer controlled vents
Better audio performance
Better headlights (albeit not cornering)
Faster MCU
Lighted vanity mirrors
MOSFETs replacing standard fuses
Wiring improvements (to critical functions like power steering)
Newer battery technology
Push button door opening
Dual charging phone dock (in a better location)

keep your model 3 then and ditch the S.
a] a lot of people hate the bluetooth/keyfobless entry. This is not really a high-tech feature.
b] what selfie camera? That camera is inert in the model 3 and serves no purpose. does this affect everyday driving experience? no
c] a lot of people hate the vents as well and prefer traditional vents.
d] who says its better audio performance?
e] Model S/X have MCU2 with the new x84 CPU.
f] Model x has lighted vanity mirrors. Dont know about the S because I never open them ever.
g] people are upset about this as well because there is no fusebox to tap into for dash cam power. And does this affect everyday driving experience? nope.
h] subjective
I] who cares what cells it uses. Model S 100D still has more range than a model 3. This is a consequence of the Model S/X being invented in 2009. What does it matter if it doesn't have 2170 cells right now? Does that affect your real world driving experience? no.
j] lots of people hate the model 3 handle as well. And that's not really "push button door opening" like the X. I find self-presenting door handles far more advanced than some lever you pull.
k] subjective, once again.

Things the Model S has that the Model 3 doesn't:

a] air suspension
b] full glass roof or a sunroof you can actually open
c] driver display dash and larger center touchscreen with an energy monitor.
d] HEPA filters/BWD mode

Considering the Model S/X continue to sell more every quarter, and the fact Tesla is still in production hell, they is literally no incentive for a refresh.
 
keep your model 3 then and ditch the S.
a] a lot of people hate the bluetooth/keyfobless entry. This is not really a high-tech feature.
b] what selfie camera? That camera is inert in the model 3 and serves no purpose. does this affect everyday driving experience? no
c] a lot of people hate the vents as well and prefer traditional vents.
d] who says its better audio performance?
e] Model S/X have MCU2 with the new x84 CPU.
f] Model x has lighted vanity mirrors. Dont know about the S because I never open them ever.
g] people are upset about this as well because there is no fusebox to tap into for dash cam power. And does this affect everyday driving experience? nope.
h] subjective
I] who cares what cells it uses. Model S 100D still has more range than a model 3. This is a consequence of the Model S/X being invented in 2009. What does it matter if it doesn't have 2170 cells right now? Does that affect your real world driving experience? no.
j] lots of people hate the model 3 handle as well. And that's not really "push button door opening" like the X. I find self-presenting door handles far more advanced than some lever you pull.
k] subjective, once again.

Things the Model S has that the Model 3 doesn't:

a] air suspension
b] full glass roof or a sunroof you can actually open
c] driver display dash and larger center touchscreen with an energy monitor.
d] HEPA filters/BWD mode

Considering the Model S/X continue to sell more every quarter, and the fact Tesla is still in production hell, they is literally no incentive for a refresh.

I was responding about the Model S getting new tech first, specifically with notion of "test new tech in the real world."

a) I prefer the bluetooth/keycard system, but I'm sure it'll take time for all phones to work reliably.
b) I think one of the eight AP cameras is actually being used now. Many people like knowing sensors will eventually be available.
c) This vent system looks to be Tesla's future, since we've also seen it on the 2020 Roadster. Obviously, this can change but it's the direction we're going.
d) Audio is very subjective, but there are documented tests of frequency response, like this video and this one. I've personally felt the Model S (with High Fidelity) is lacking in comparison to the Model 3 and other luxury cars. But, yes, very subjective.
e) They didn't have the new MCU first and that was my key point.
f) I believe the Model S got them more recently around the time of the MCU update. The Model X did have them before the 3 was released.
g) Many things might not seem to affect the driving experience, but could improve the long term ownership experience. Not replacing fuses is a positive thing. People will work out aftermarket dashcam solutions. It's really only an issue for people who want to record in parking mode when the car is off and there are already battery packs available to bypass this.
h) Redundant wiring isn't subjective. This was observed by multiple sources including Motor Trend reporting on Munro's teardown. They note, for example, the "electric steering assist motor ... appears to feature two separate 12-volt power inputs, probably to provide the redundancy required for fully autonomous driving." Whether it's actually "needed" for autonomous driving might be a stretch, but surely redundancy is a good thing.
i) It's directly affecting the cost/weight/range. Tesla says this in a recent shareholder letter: "Cells used in Model 3 are the highest energy density cells used in any electric vehicle." There is also speculation the newer cells may allow for faster Version 3.0 Supercharging. "The 2170 cell is around 50% larger by volume than the 18650, but it can deliver almost double the current (the 18650 delivers 3,000 mA, and the 2170 has been tested at 5,750-6,000 mA)." Simply, the Model 3 couldn't get the range it does with the 18650s in the same amount of space for the same cost. What's more important than an energy supply for an EV? And again, I didn't write this list in a vacuum. It was in response to "getting new tech first."
j) I'm talking about the interior door handle on the Model 3. You don't have to pull a lever. You just push a button like the X.
k) Dual phone chargers versus single isn't really subjective, but I agree the parenthetical I added is subjective.

You can also add to your Model S list:

e] heated steering wheel
f] automatic trunk (and the larger rear cargo height afforded by the hatch)

That hatch and the associated cargo space is probably the single biggest real-world advantage now.
 
And this is my main concern:

Keyfobless/Bluetooth entry
Interior selfie camera
Computer controlled vents
Better audio performance
Better headlights (albeit not cornering)
Faster MCU
Lighted vanity mirrors
MOSFETs replacing standard fuses
Wiring improvements (to critical functions like power steering)
Newer battery technology
Push button door opening
Dual charging phone dock (in a better location)

All of the above came to the Model 3 first and many remain only on the Model 3. The Model S is a good 8+ months behind at best when it should be leading the way at the time of purchase. I understand the need to ramp up the Model 3, but they seem to have enough time to be working on Y, a pickup, Roadster, Semi, and Home Energy. These are all important, but the Model S made them who they are so I think they should give it a little more attention.

I think the original plan was the Model S would have most if not all the technology advances in the 3 by now, but production hell has pushed back most of the changes. I also think their plan is to end free supercharging for life when they roll out the bulk of the updates, so they want to do many things at once and they don't have the availability of the manufacturing people to revamp the line until the Model 3 production problems are stabilized.
 
I think the original plan was the Model S would have most if not all the technology advances in the 3 by now, but production hell has pushed back most of the changes. I also think their plan is to end free supercharging for life when they roll out the bulk of the updates, so they want to do many things at once and they don't have the availability of the manufacturing people to revamp the line until the Model 3 production problems are stabilized.

This makes a lot of sense. I don't disagree with this at all.

I'm just trying to provide some feedback from a Model S and Model 3 owner's perspective. They're both excellent cars with their own benefits. If the Model 3 was a little bigger (like a couple inches wider) and maybe 6 inches longer with a hatch, it would be the perfect car for me. That said, I think the exterior of the Model S is nicer from the side and rear (just better proportions), while I think they tie on the head-on view.
 
I can't unsee the angry frog face on the model 3. The S front isn't perfect but it doesn't look like a bad cartoon character.
I can't look at a car with a grill and not cringe at the fact that it's "normal" to have a bbq looking thing on the front of cars, vs. being aerodynamic. Even the fake nosecone "grill" on my Model S bugs me now. In a few years, everyone will feel the same. I love the of the 3, fwiw.
 
This makes a lot of sense. I don't disagree with this at all.

I'm just trying to provide some feedback from a Model S and Model 3 owner's perspective. They're both excellent cars with their own benefits. If the Model 3 was a little bigger (like a couple inches wider) and maybe 6 inches longer with a hatch, it would be the perfect car for me. That said, I think the exterior of the Model S is nicer from the side and rear (just better proportions), while I think they tie on the head-on view.

I came across this a few days ago:

I've seen a 3 up close. We went on a trip with the PDX Tesla club and there were two 3s along. We got a chance to look over one of them, but we didn't ride in it. The above video confirmed most of the things my SO and I noted about the 3 from looking it over.

Right now the S and 3 are a mixed bag of pros and cons, but one big pro the 3 has over the S is the price. You get a lot more car for your dollar with the 3. Tesla needs to update the S so it clearly has all the advantages of the 3 and then some to justify the higher price.

I can't look at a car with a grill and not cringe at the fact that it's "normal" to have a bbq looking thing on the front of cars, vs. being aerodynamic. Even the fake nosecone "grill" on my Model S bugs me now. In a few years, everyone will feel the same. I love the of the 3, fwiw.

Aesthetically I like the refresh S and X nose better than the 3. There is something to break up the lines a bit and looks more interesting, but I look at the gap and think "more air resistance". If I had the means, I would like to fit a clear plastic piece in that gap to make the nose more aerodynamic.

The cars with the worst front ends these days are IMO Toyotas and Lexus. Just as the world is moving towards cars that don't need a grill, they put the largest grill ever seen on a car. In another 10 years those cars are going to look very dated.
 
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Well, they lost at least three Model S purchases to a Performance Model 3 because of no refresh, myself included. I was holding out for a refreshed S to replace my P85D, but pulled the trigger on the Model 3. Maybe they don't care, but I highly doubt I'm the only one.
I pulled the trigger for a 100D yesterday replacing my P85D. Delivery late August. Maybe the stars will align for a refresh soon.
 
I came across this a few days ago:
Aesthetically I like the refresh S and X nose better than the 3. There is something to break up the lines a bit and looks more interesting, but I look at the gap and think "more air resistance". If I had the means, I would like to fit a clear plastic piece in that gap to make the nose more aerodynamic.

The original 3 front end was far better and cohesive in my opinion before people bitched about it after the reveal and Franz’ design was subsequently watered down for the masses. It’s nose was far sharper - and very similar to what the S and X would look like without their “mustaches”. IMO it clearly was what Franz wanted all along for Tesla’s design aesthetic, but he knew it would blow peoples’ minds so badly early on that they would see the original S as a weirdmobile. <sigh>. So he came up with the nosecone / fake grill as a mental bridge for petrolheads. And he’s specifically said he wasn’t happy about it. Makes sense. It’s fake. Great designers don’t like fake. Then with the X they lost the nose cone and went to the stache. Again as a mental bridge to babystep people into the future. I remember people bitching about that new front end too and posting the “Neo with no mouth” meme from The Matrix. The same S refresh folllowed.

So yeah - I’m disappointed with the 3’s front end because I thought his original design was stellar. And hope they lose the mustache on whatever the next versions of S and X turn out to be. I suspect that’s what Franz wants vs #designbycommittee
 
I can't unsee the angry frog face on the model 3. The S front isn't perfect but it doesn't look like a bad cartoon character.

I came across this a few days ago:

Aesthetically I like the refresh S and X nose better than the 3. There is something to break up the lines a bit and looks more interesting, but I look at the gap and think "more air resistance". If I had the means, I would like to fit a clear plastic piece in that gap to make the nose more aerodynamic.

The original 3 front end was far better and cohesive in my opinion before people bitched about it after the reveal and Franz’ design was subsequently watered down for the masses. It’s nose was far sharper - and very similar to what the S and X would look like without their “mustaches”. IMO it clearly was what Franz wanted all along for Tesla’s design aesthetic, but he knew it would blow peoples’ minds so badly early on that they would see the original S as a weirdmobile. <sigh>. So he came up with the nosecone / fake grill as a mental bridge for petrolheads. And he’s specifically said he wasn’t happy about it. Makes sense. It’s fake. Great designers don’t like fake.
So yeah - I’m disappointed with the 3’s front end because I thought his original design was stellar. And hope they lose the mustache on whatever the next versions of S and X turn out to be. I suspect that’s what Franz wants vs #designbycommittee

Looks like the aftermarket is now in agreement ... losing the Duck Bill and replacing with a smooth Porsche design nose :cool:

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The S is outdated and seriously needs a refresh.

- no internal camera
- low supercharging charging speeds
- no sourround view parking camera
- no gesture controls to open the lift gate
- old school climate holes in dash
- no matrix led light / laser light
- no hands free driving system
- no virtual side mirrors
- no mobile phone entry system

All features listed above are available in at least one other production car.

I do not see any new technology in the S at all.
 
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Looks like the aftermarket is now in agreement ... losing the Duck Bill and replacing with a smooth Porsche design nose :cool:

37184662_10156662124963324_7487911529342304256_n.jpg
Wow, what a difference! Never cared for Tesla's new front end styling. I know they wanted to get rid of the "grille" look since it's not an ICE car, but all they did was take out the grille and leave the space for a grille with a big bug magnet instead. The lower grille is the design language Tesla should have gone with on all of their cars.
 
The S is outdated and seriously needs a refresh.

- no internal camera
- low supercharging charging speeds
- no sourround view parking camera
- no gesture controls to open the lift gate
- old school climate holes in dash
- no matrix led light / laser light
- no hands free driving system
- no virtual side mirrors
- no mobile phone entry system

All features listed above are available in at least one other production car.

I do not see any new technology in the S at all.
Which production car has hands free driving?
 
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