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Model S Security System

Discussion in 'Model S' started by adurstewitz, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. adurstewitz

    adurstewitz P3853, VIN3062

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    Not sure if anyone else has posted this in the past, but I've been curious as to how Tesla plans to protect the Model S from being hacked. Given that there is no ignition system to hot-wire. I found this link (Federal Register, Volume 77 Issue 72 (Friday, April 13, 2012)) which refers to a remote immobilization system. Very interesting.

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  2. Thumper

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    Nice find adurstewitz. Sounds safe enough. Thanks
     
  3. kevincwelch

    kevincwelch Active Member

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    Wow. That's really cool. How did you come across this document? Should be good for insurance companies in some way.
     
  4. adurstewitz

    adurstewitz P3853, VIN3062

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    Honestly I was just googling the security of the vehicle. Being a tech guy I'm worried that the RFID or drive controller could be easily compromised and steal/modify the car.

    Simply the fact that the car has an IP address is slightly concerning.

    I would love to know more about how they intend to protect the vehical.
     
  5. Robert.Boston

    Robert.Boston Model S VIN P01536

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    But if you knew, then so would everyone else (who cared), and the vehicle would be less secure. :)
     
  6. adurstewitz

    adurstewitz P3853, VIN3062

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    True (and I expected someone would say that), but some statements about the Bluetooth, 3G, RFID not having access to the sub-systems would be nice. However, now that I'm hearing that update are pushed without user validation makes me wonder what it would take...
     
  7. Nickjhowe

    Nickjhowe Member

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    adurstewitz - excellent find! I wonder if Insurance companies will treat this in the same way as a lojack and give corresponding discounts? Tesla isn't doing very much to publicize the security aspects of the Model S so it is possible insurance companies aren't correctly taking the full security capabilities into account.
     
  8. Jason S

    Jason S Model S Sig Perf (P85)

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    I think they start with nVidia's webkit pkg and then add things. That makes it roughly as secure as a mobile phone. ... which is pretty good.

    Compared to other vehicle systems, I've no idea.
     
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    Any owner want to test this?
     
  10. swengl

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    Has anyone heard anything about this recently? The last I heard, Tesla was going to hire some programmers specifically concerned with security, but nothing beyond that.
     
  11. scottm

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    What does it take to hack your car?

    One of two things:

    1. Tesla's encryption key.

    or

    2. Your credentials (ID & password) that you use on your MyTesla site.


    Get this, and you drive the car away. No alarms going off.

    Guess which thing is weaker and easier to get and/or crack?

    ...
     
  12. Rockster

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    I would welcome the option to configure a PIN that would be required in addition to the current authentication before the car could be driven.
     
  13. scottm

    scottm Active Member

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    You dont have to wait for Tesla to do everything. Splice a lockout box on the line for your gear selector. It could have a number PiN pad, or an RFID tag reader if you want it to be invisible. And there you have it, nobody can get your car into gear.
     

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