Model S to the Nürburgring Next Week!

[TIppy]

Those aren't comparable since one was done on a closed track and the other done on the public roads.

I think the charger was right on the track, too.

 

[St Charles]

I think the charger was right on the track, too.

This test in no way reflects real world possibilities, nor was it meant to. The Taycan test at Nardo was for endurance purposes. It proves the Porsche powertrain and battery can handle constant high output and charging.

 

[PhantomX]

This test in no way reflects real world possibilities, nor was it meant to. The Taycan test at Nardo was for endurance purposes. It proves the Porsche powertrain and battery can handle constant high output and charging.

I think this really points out the different design philosophy between Tesla and Porsche. Tesla is about efficiency, everyday performance, and converting people from ICE to EV. Porsche is about luxury and high performance driving experience and finding a new powertrain paradigm to go fast. I think it's good that Tesla is going after track records and gain experiences, but I hope Tesla doesn't lose sight of its core mission and end up putting out super expensive cars that most can't afford. I would rather them prioritize service experience improvement and introduction of the pickup trucks.

 

[idleuser]

From Page 27 Porsche Taycan Brochure

IV. Drive power
Extremely sporty driving or charging at a fast-charging pedestal can
result in an increase in battery temperature and, therefore, in temporarily reduced drive power. Due to
the physical environment, the maximum power required to achieve the specified acceleration values
can be repeatedly produced, but usually not consecutively.

Looks like Porsche isn't immune to power throttle due to heat. It'll be interesting to see how many times they can constantly lap the track.

 

[TIppy]

This test in no way reflects real world possibilities, nor was it meant to. The Taycan test at Nardo was for endurance purposes. It proves the Porsche powertrain and battery can handle constant high output and charging.

But they are claiming it's a 24 hr distance record for an ev, and people are comparing it to Bjorn Nyland's attempt on public streets. The implication being that the Porsche is more capable, when in fact it was just the venue.

 

[seattlite2004]

 

[SmartElectric]

Taycan made 24h long distance drive with 3425km and Model 3 made 24h with 2842km. This is not only a result of 350kW charging power. Documentation of Model 3 24h driving you find here 24h world record

Already discussed, Model 3 could match Taycan in similar conditions, full stop.
Could Tesla Model 3 Performance Match Taycan’s 24-Hr Endurance Record?

 

[PhantomX]

Looks like there is a bit of understeer and the suspension is not controlling the body motion properly. It's not surprising though if they have never tuned the car on the Ring. Question is whether they can tune it without major mod to the suspension geometry since it probably needs change to camber and toe angles besides damping and spring rate.

 

[St Charles]

But they are claiming it's a 24 hr distance record for an ev, and people are comparing it to Bjorn Nyland's attempt on public streets. The implication being that the Porsche is more capable, when in fact it was just the venue.

Are they? It seems to me that they are underscoring the conditions and results of their endurance testing. I'm not seeing where they are claiming a distance record...

Taycan prototype convinces at endurance run in Nardò

 

[daktari]

So that midnight silver one is the same dutch registered LR Perf as we saw way upstream in this thread. A standard Raven maybe? Not widened wheel stancen adjusted air intake.

 

[gowthamn]

Taycan should attempt a record at Laguna.

 

[TIppy]

Are they? It seems to me that they are underscoring the conditions and results of their endurance testing. I'm not seeing where they are claiming a distance record...

Taycan prototype convinces at endurance run in Nardò

What was the record before "the Taycan mastered this ambitious endurance run without any problems?" What was so ambitious about it? Does it still stand?

 

[larmor]

Looks like there is a bit of understeer and the suspension is not controlling the body motion properly. It's not surprising though if they have never tuned the car on the Ring. Question is whether they can tune it without major mod to the suspension geometry since it probably needs change to camber and toe angles besides damping and spring rate.

Why were there yellow lights? Is that a European standard or yellow for braking (generally) or is it indicative or regen braking?

 

[PhantomX]

Taycan should attempt a record at Laguna.

I doubt Porsche will do that. If a magazine wants to do it, then I think Porsche may supply a car. But from what I have seen with their other models, Porsche only sets records at Ring. The 919 record runs were a bit different because they were going after the fastest of any kind at the track they went to.

 

[bxr140]

Why were there yellow lights? Is that a European standard or yellow for braking (generally) or is it indicative or regen braking?

They’re not yellow, it just looks that way in that video.

 

[Valore]

The Porsche hit 221 (137 mph) kph in that same section shown in the Tesla video

 

[PhantomX]

The Porsche hit 221 (137 mph) kph in that same section shown in the Tesla video

Do we have info on the speed of the Model S? Or perhaps an estimate?

 

[St Charles]

What was the record before "the Taycan mastered this ambitious endurance run without any problems?" What was so ambitious about it? Does it still stand?

I think you are getting caught up in marketing speak. Maybe take a moment and breathe?

 

[daktari]

Look at the Instagram post showing this Model S. It does not seem to me that it is a triple motor, but a standard Raven. Is this a privately owned car or one of Elons? What do you think?
Misha on Instagram: “Trust @elonrmuskk , he is an engineer. #diy #tesla #nurburgring #nordschleife #beatthetaycan?”

 

[TIppy]

I think you are getting caught up in marketing speak. Maybe take a moment and breathe?

I know it's dark in there, but it's all marketing. Porsche was highlighting the only performance parameter they thought they had over Tesla, endurance. Do you think they would have ballyhooed the numbers if they came in behind the P85D they were bench marking ? The problem for them is the model 3.