Model X 5 Seat Deliveries

[AnxietyRanger]

I can not help but feel that the way Tesla installs these parts is random. And that some positions (I think we have seen at least three different), must be wrong.

The #437 does not look like the parts are any different from what we have seen before, but the vertical support is installed on the rear-seat floor instead of the trunk floor where it has been seen in a couple of different positions before this.

The curved sides, that now show empty holes, on the sides of the vertical piece look like they were meant to be installed in the same place as on @beths11 car? Not on the rear-seat floor where the vertical piece now has curved holes in it (bottom left and bottom right)?

And it does not look like the vertical piece on the floor reaches the storage compartment covering piece at all, so it does not look like it is supporting the weight, instead it rests on the sides of the trunk.

On the other hand, this car does have the extra straps for holding cargo in the storage compartment floor, which have been missing from some five-seaters.

 

[beths11]

Nice catch @AnxietyRanger . Those gaps also indicate to me that it is not installed in the correct position. It doesn't look like the support is itself supported. I also wonder if such a placement, so close to the seats interferes with the reclining of the seats @SMS16 ?

I believe, even though I loose d rings, the location of my support provides, better support.

 

[Kincaid]

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Here are the long awaited pictures.

By gosh, you did it. You over delivered. They are an excellent and thorough set of pictures, and I certainly do appreciate it. We all do. Thank you.
Now, on to issues of language in various parts of our country. We now know that in Austin, TX "maybe" is a way of communicating that you are underpromising and intend to over deliver.
Taking due note of your very busy travel schedule that keeps you away from Austin and your Tesla for such long periods of time, in Austin, TX does "traveling again" mean you are heading off for an extended period to your other house, that has your other Tesla, and your other significant other to keep you company? It would seem a fair approach.

 

[Kincaid]

Nice catch @AnxietyRanger . Those gaps also indicate to me that it is not installed in the correct position. It doesn't look like the support is itself supported. I also wonder if such a placement, so close to the seats interferes with the reclining of the seats @SMS16 ?

I believe, even though I loose d rings, the location of my support provides, better support.

I noticed those gaps as well, and also wondered about support issues, and seat recline issues. Clearly, a few dealerships (Texas, Oregon, et alia) were given some early experimental resolutions to the tricky issues of rear trunk flooring and storage design, and Tesla pushed as many 5 seat Model X vehicles out the door as it could to support Q4 sales figures. TSLA shares have rewarded that approach. Now, as Tesla progresses with its development of Model X 5 seat rear flooring design, and trying its best to accelerate the Model 3 production schedule, the completed design configuration for our Model X's will show up in March, and in the meantime the news of accelerated Model 3 production will keep adding to the stock value. I am happy with that strategy. Here in Saratoga, CA, "happy" means "thank you Tesla for paying all my bills."

 

[krouebi]

Hi,

and this one also has chrome scuff plates on each side of the tailgate lock!!

I still miss the "kneeling" rear seat bench, but OK, this will have to do.

 

[AnxietyRanger]

@Kincaid: But happy TSLA ownership does not equal happy Tesla ownership, it seems, unfortunately.

I find amateur hour an apt description of the Tesla Model X 5-seater story.

 

[SMS16]

By gosh, you did it. You over delivered. They are an excellent and thorough set of pictures, and I certainly do appreciate it. We all do. Thank you.
Now, on to issues of language in various parts of our country. We now know that in Austin, TX "maybe" is a way of communicating that you are underpromising and intend to over deliver.
Taking due note of your very busy travel schedule that keeps you away from Austin and your Tesla for such long periods of time, in Austin, TX does "traveling again" mean you are heading off for an extended period to your other house, that has your other Tesla, and your other significant other to keep you company? It would seem a fair approach.

By gosh, you nailed it. Yes, I'm currently at the other house in the other state with SO and kids, with the other Tesla. They'll all be moving with me as soon as the school year is over. Back with the X in 10 days or so ...

 

[SMS16]

Nice catch @AnxietyRanger . Those gaps also indicate to me that it is not installed in the correct position. It doesn't look like the support is itself supported. I also wonder if such a placement, so close to the seats interferes with the reclining of the seats @SMS16 ?

I believe, even though I loose d rings, the location of my support provides, better support.

No reclining issues --- seems to recline just fine. And certainly the cover is not fully supported. Got a call from the Austin service center just a day or two ago, and complained about that. They want me to bring it in so they can understand ... I will as soon as i can be in town long enough ...

 

[Jrogville]

I noticed those gaps as well, and also wondered about support issues, and seat recline issues. Clearly, a few dealerships (Texas, Oregon, et alia) were given some early experimental resolutions to the tricky issues of rear trunk flooring and storage design, and Tesla pushed as many 5 seat Model X vehicles out the door as it could to support Q4 sales figures. TSLA shares have rewarded that approach. Now, as Tesla progresses with its development of Model X 5 seat rear flooring design, and trying its best to accelerate the Model 3 production schedule, the completed design configuration for our Model X's will show up in March, and in the meantime the news of accelerated Model 3 production will keep adding to the stock value. I am happy with that strategy. Here in Saratoga, CA, "happy" means "thank you Tesla for paying all my bills."

Kincaid, did you ever get the rest of the cargo area pieces for your 5-seater?

 

[Kincaid]

Kincaid, did you ever get the rest of the cargo area pieces for your 5-seater?

No, I have not received the parts to complete the rear trunk flooring. I don't think anyone has. I get a call once a week from the Sunnyvale, CA Tesla Service Center telling me they still have no news. The most recent news is that the rear trunk flooring configuration is being "redesigned". In this case, I think "being redesigned" means "the Fremont factory is closed and is busy retooling for the Model 3 production and therefore nothing else will get done until March, especially marginal projects like the rear trunk flooring panels for the 5 seat Model X." AnxietyRanger tagged the process "amateur hour." That may be a bit harsh, but also a bit deserved. As much as I am enjoying the Model X, I am a bit frustrated cooling my heels over the disheveled compendium of different flooring levels behind the second row of seats in the 5 seat Model X.

 

[CharlieLab]

Well my 5 seater MX just went into production yesterday. We will see if they have fixed the trunk flooring issue by the time it arrives.. DS said 2H March. I'll post pics

 

[SMS16]

I went into the Austin SC and they weren't sure of the config. They agreed that a support is missing though in reality I don't think they know the final config. They said they'd order it for me. We'll see how this saga ends. Mine is ~90% functional unless hauling heavy pieces with mass in the middle.

 

[Kincaid]

What has become a genuine cause for concern relating to the Model X 5 seat cargo area flooring is the number of "new inventory" 5 seat Model X P100D and P90D vehicles that are being offered for sale on the Tesla website. These new and unsold cars are priced anywhere between $130K and $164K. What sort of cargo area flooring do these unsold vehicles have? Incomplete? Complete? If the cargo areas are complete on these new vehicles currently offered for sale, then how is it that we current owners are cooling our heels waiting around for the "redesigned" flooring panels to which none of the Tesla Service Centers seem to have access?

 

[beths11]

What has become a genuine cause for concern relating to the Model X 5 seat cargo area flooring is the number of "new inventory" 5 seat Model X P100D and P90D vehicles that are being offered for sale on the Tesla website. These new and unsold cars are priced anywhere between $130K and $164K. What sort of cargo area flooring do these unsold vehicles have? Incomplete? Complete? If the cargo areas are complete on these new vehicles currently offered for sale, then how is it that we current owners are cooling our heels waiting around for the "redesigned" flooring panels to which none of the Tesla Service Centers seem to have access?

Good question. Have you called to ask about the inventory models?

 

[Kincaid]

Good question. Have you called to ask about the inventory models?

Naturally, I did call right after making my previous forum comments, and asked about the two "new inventory" 5 seat Model X vehicles located nearby. That was at the request of one of my tennis pals who thinks he wants to buy a 5 seat Model X. The answer for both these cars was that they were currently being used as marketing vehicles for Airstream mobile design studio events. Tesla drives Model X's around towing Airstream trailers that contain design examples, literature, and product specialists: showrooms on the road. The Tesla sales representative with whom I spoke had zero information concerning how the cargo area flooring was configured in these vehicles, and both of the vehicles were not available for inspection because they were in transit and not due back at their respective dealerships for at least 10 days. I suspect that means both cars have some sort of jury rigged, not ready for prime time, pre "redesign" flooring configuration. It's all a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, coated with indecipherable predictions.

 

[Spidy]

Interesting that Tesla is using the 5-Seater when they 6&7 seater have better looking seats for such a sales demo.

So I guess either Tesla themselves noticed the advantage of a folding 2nd row or they think there is more demand for that. (Or maybe they have both versions with them )

 

[Kincaid]

Interesting that Tesla is using the 5-Seater when they 6&7 seater have better looking seats for such a sales demo.

So I guess either Tesla themselves noticed the advantage of a folding 2nd row or they think there is more demand for that. (Or maybe they have both versions with them )

Yes, you're right. There was an extensive clinical study done on Superior Seating Design by the Vehicular Wisdom & Perspicacity Institute . It confirmed that SUV's with 5 seats whose second row folds down to create an expansive flat cargo surface were preferred 9 to 1 by individuals with exceptional judgment, exemplary good taste, attractive spouses, and less than 5 children.

It's also true that the Airstream Mobile Showrooms are towed around by some 6 and 7 seat Model X vehicles. However, the VW&P Institute study confirmed people visiting the mobile showrooms towed by 6 & 7 Model X cars were generally poorly dressed, slovenly, consumed too much sugar, and were disposed not to make eye contact. An investigation may be conducted.

However, the study also found that 5 seat Model X owners tended to congregate in ostracized groups muttering or chanting something about "missing trunk panels." It's all very complicated.

 

[essmd]

Cute and quirky quips... but the reality is nothing is perfect in the Model X vehicle configurations, and sacrifices must be made despite the big price tag... after all, it's only money.

Fortunately there are these forum so people can waste time expressing themselves just for grins, but for no real purpose, as I will now do....

The 6-seater 2nd row seats may be "pretty", but far from comfortable for over an hour or so, especially without the inability to really recline, just rotate, and where is that arm rest for the middle area... still missing??

The 3rd row seats are ridiculously small for anyone other than a child or car seat, in fact dangerous for any adult tall enough who may smack their head on the frame of the cargo door as their head extends in the window pop-up, during a sudden stop or collision.

The 7-seater really just seats 4 adults, plus 3 children, ideal for families, but the middle headrest makes the rear-view window all but worthless, thank goodness for the constant rear-view camera.

And the five-seater 2nd row seat base really does have all the attraction of a 1980 mini-van, considering the upholstery fit and finish, and that's mostly because of the yet-to-be-delivered platform, although I actually did see one... what an amazing flat cargo space, which will be poorly cooled in the summer heat due the lackluster B-pillar vents and the single fan system... so that's where the $3000 savings went.

So with all this starting at over $80K.... pick your least disappointing configuration that suits your needs, and hope it works for you, who cares about resale, cause depreciation "kills" with every hardware upgrade.

Gone are the "sucking" ventilated seats with the weakened perforated seats, yet the $4500 PUP price tag remains.

Still, it is an amazing vehicle that is not likely to be surpassed anytime in the next several years given all it has to offer, despite all the competitor's magazine hype and hoopla... The Supercharger network is the real deal.

Proud to own mine, and "good on Ya" for all those that held out longer than me and will benefit from the coveted folding 2nd row that truly allows the Model X 5-seater to be called an SUV, for the others are just cross-overs.

Yes, you're right. There was an extensive clinical study done on Superior Seating Design by the Vehicular Wisdom & Perspicacity Institute . It confirmed that SUV's with 5 seats whose second row folds down to create an expansive flat cargo surface were preferred 9 to 1 by individuals with exceptional judgment, exemplary good taste, attractive spouses, and less than 5 children.

It's also true that the Airstream Mobile Showrooms are towed around by some 6 and 7 seat Model X vehicles. However, the VW&P Institute study confirmed people visiting the mobile showrooms towed by 6 & 7 Model X cars were generally poorly dressed, slovenly, consumed too much sugar, and were disposed not to make eye contact. An investigation may be conducted.

However, the study also found that 5 seat Model X owners tended to congregate in ostracized groups muttering or chanting something about "missing trunk panels." It's all very complicated.

 

[krouebi]

@essmd,

+1 - couldn't agree more!

The 5-seater rear bench seems to be designed by....... - no, I'm at a loss for words.

It seems to be plucked directly from some very budget wagon/van - Toyota Hiace (for the Philippine market) comes to mind.

You want a folding seat bench? OK, here it is. It does NOT fold FLAT, but it somehow folds.

You nitpickers also want a flat floor? OK - we deliver (or in some cases don't) a series of boards raising the real load floor by several inches.

If Mercedes switchgear can be taken over 1:1, why not the rear seat bench from the W163 M-Class (1997-2005)??

But, the car is wonderful, and there's no alternative, so just accept.....

 

[AnxietyRanger]

I blame Tesla's decision to bring seating in-house during the Model X development process. Their seat quality woes and other issues have clearly gone from mediocre to bad since that decision.

Tesla's interior quality was actually going upwards prior to that change, since then it has become - frankly - quite random. The five seater bench and its mismatching rear panels are a mess. The loss of seat ventilation apparently due to wear and tear issues another such. Loss of folding for the seven seater... and let's not even talk about the "let's just remove the middle seat" six seater... Amateur hour. And these have been spilling over to Model S as well, though less.

Maybe bringing something in-house was useful to get the falcon wing situation sorted out, but they should have kept that at a minimum. Now, if Tesla never tried to reach for those monoposts and falcon wings, but would have focused on quality interior in conventional ways, they would have been able to use traditional suppliers more who know their stuff...

All that said, I agree with the recent posters: what are you going do as a buyer... what else is there to do but settle at this time, if a long-range EV SUV is what you want? So, we settle. And then keep looking at that Audi and Jaguar coming out in the next year or two.