Model X 60D is Gone

[echin]

The fact that people supercharge the 60kWh battery pack all the way to "100%" without slowing down points towards the top end being restricted. The fact that regen works even when the 60kWh battery pack is charged to "100%" also points towards the top end being restricted.

wait so to clarify - can i charge my 60D up to 100% without any harm to the battery?

 

[calisnow]

For now, Tesla is appealing to the price-conscious 60 buyer but I don't think that will continue for too much longer since they might want to entice those buyers over to a well-optioned Model 3 and have every battery they sell used to its full potential. But that's just my guess.

Good guess - or they might not continue too much longer because Autopilot 2.0 is about to come out and they will sell every Model S/X they can build at very high prices. I can dream. . .

Thank you kindly.

I don't know if you're actually 70 years old but the "thank you kindly" thing you have going on is getting old. Please don't make us read that after every post you make for the next billion years. It's a meaningless verbal tick that just uses up space.

 

[MorrisonHiker]

Do you think you are part of a sizable demographic? People who won't buy the 75, but will buy the 60 with an immediate plan to upgrade soon, seemed (to me) to be a rare breed. Do you have any evidence otherwise?

I don't know how many planned on buying the 60 and upgrading to 75 later but I did see several people discussing it on various forums. Many said that they would buy the 60, pay cheaper sales tax and registration (or excise taxes) and then apply for the $7500 federal tax credit. Once they got the $7500 tax credit refunded, many planned on using that towards the upgrade price. By doing it this way, they could reduce their taxes/registration fees and potentially reduce the amount borrowed while still getting a 75 kWh battery.

 

[Topher]

I also fall into this bucket.

I think you are confusing me with Driving the Future. I have no plans to upgrade the battery, unless they offer it to me for $4k or less.

Or perhaps you are.

Sorry for the confusion.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Canuck]

I don't know if you're actually 70 years old but the "thank you kindly" thing you have going on is getting old. Please don't make us read that after every post you make for the next billion years. It's a meaningless verbal tick that just uses up space.

We've been over this before:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/1719895/

He's passive-aggressive and he does it purposely to try to drive us all nuts. But just do what @ohmman does:

In my case, I have it replace "Thank you kindly" with "Take that, you dirty jackwagon." No offense meant to @Topher at all, it's for my personal entertainment. And I have to say, it makes some of the posts hilarious (to me).

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/1721123/

 

[EMdoc12]

I don't know how many planned on buying the 60 and upgrading to 75 later but I did see several people discussing it on various forums. Many said that they would buy the 60, pay cheaper sales tax and registration (or excise taxes) and then apply for the $7500 federal tax credit. Once they got the $7500 tax credit refunded, many planned on using that towards the upgrade price. By doing it this way, they could reduce their taxes/registration fees and potentially reduce the amount borrowed while still getting a 75 kWh battery.

Those people could then essentially pay for the upgrade with cash the next day. It doesn't make sense to wait for a non-existent refund. The tax credit simply reduces your tax burden. There is no refund though. Once you reduce your tax liability down to zero you lose any remaining credit.

 

[MP3Mike]

Those people could then essentially pay for the upgrade with cash the next day. It doesn't make sense to wait for a non-existent refund. The tax credit simply reduces your tax burden. There is no refund though. Once you reduce your tax liability down to zero you lose any remaining credit.

Not exactly true. If you have standard withholding from your taxes and don't change your exemptions, assuming you qualify, you will get the $7,500 back as a refund when you file your taxes. (Or you will get a refund $7,500 larger than you would have gotten otherwise.)

If they are smart enough, and plan far enough ahead, they can adjust their withholding so that they get the "refund" early, but unless they started way before they purchase the car they aren't going to have that $7,500 just sitting around ready to pay for the upgrade the next day.

 

[Claypigeon]

The other side of the 60d is that it was a way of addressing the falling costs of battery tech. How do you avoid cheesing off recent buyers with a lower the price tag? They lowered the cost of entry without offending the original 75d buyers. Genius.

 

[jay-bay]

Those people could then essentially pay for the upgrade with cash the next day. It doesn't make sense to wait for a non-existent refund. The tax credit simply reduces your tax burden. There is no refund though. Once you reduce your tax liability down to zero you lose any remaining credit.

Umm...I got a refund two years ago when I bought the Model S. Will be getting another one for this year for buying the Model X.

 

[Saghost]

Umm...I got a refund two years ago when I bought the Model S. Will be getting another one for this year for buying the Model X.

Technically, he's correct.

The "refund" you got was your own money that had been withheld from your pay or transactions during the year by the government.

In terms of settling up at tax time, it can be (and usually is) a refund - but if you hadn't had any money withheld you wouldn't get any extra money from the government once they reached the point where they didn't want any of your money.

 

[ModelSFL]

This is such a bummer. It really confuses me why Tesla doesn't give customers a heads up on removing the option. I was actively working with Tesla on ordering a 60D and had no idea. Now, I will sit on the sidelines until they bring it back or get back down to that price point.

 

[alexcuse]

With the 2.0 hardware announcement, I'm now wondering if the removal of 60D may not just be profit margin-related? all the extra cameras and 40x faster computer and constantly operating in shadow mode for 2.0 has to eat up a lot more battery. possibly reduce the range significantly enough that they can no longer advertise as 200 Mile range?

 

[outie]

With the 2.0 hardware announcement, I'm now wondering if the removal of 60D may not just be profit margin-related? all the extra cameras and 40x faster computer and constantly operating in shadow mode for 2.0 has to eat up a lot more battery. possibly reduce the range significantly enough that they can no longer advertise as 200 Mile range?

How do you explain the pending X60D orders that have yet to be delivered (either pushed back on purpose / orders right before X60D removal / or in other countries)?

 

[MorrisonHiker]

With the 2.0 hardware announcement, I'm now wondering if the removal of 60D may not just be profit margin-related? all the extra cameras and 40x faster computer and constantly operating in shadow mode for 2.0 has to eat up a lot more battery. possibly reduce the range significantly enough that they can no longer advertise as 200 Mile range?

I really doubt it would take up that much more battery. The cameras probably only use a couple watts each. While the computer is 40x faster, it doesn't mean it uses 40x as much power. Processors today are much more efficient than their predecessors and can often perform more calculations and use less power.

 

[Bowmore]

Has anyone here with a 60D, ordered prior to last week but not yet delivered, been able to change their order to include Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving without having to upgrade to the 75D?

 

[Dr Doom]

Has anyone here with a 60D, ordered prior to last week but not yet delivered, been able to change their order to include Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving without having to upgrade to the 75D?

Why would they need to have you upgrade to 75D? I think there a couple responses from DS where they are going have to pay extra to get the new autopilot and also the full autonomous features. I wonder how much extra that is going to cost. it seems the DS are all over the place on it.

 

[Stasla]

Has anyone here with a 60D, ordered prior to last week but not yet delivered, been able to change their order to include Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving without having to upgrade to the 75D?

That is a $64k question I would also like to know the answer to!

 

[Gregkeys]

I was told there are no discounts, I can stick with the autopilot I ordered at $2500 or pay an additional $2500 to upgrade to enhanced and $3000 to get full self driving all pending the functionality being available so basically no discount at all

 

[MorrisonHiker]

I was told there are no discounts, I can stick with the autopilot I ordered at $2500 or pay an additional $2500 to upgrade to enhanced and $3000 to get full self driving all pending the functionality being available so basically no discount at all

In another thread, it sounds like a few others were offered a slightly discounted upgrade offer of only $2000 more (for a total of $4500 instead of $5000). I haven't heard back from my DS yet so I don't know how much it will cost me.

I would love to hear something definitive from Tesla. My DS insinuated that the new AP features will be software limited for current orders that only paid for the AP 1.0. I was given the option to pay $2k to upgrade to the enhanced autopilot. I declined in hopes that there will be some sort of grandfather clause for new orders prior to the announcement.

Same here, given the option to upgrade for $2k more. According to my Delivery Specialist I will get the updated hardware with a software limitation of gen 1 autopilot. I really don't see much of a difference in terms of functionality of enhanced autopilot and 1st gen autopilot. I also don't see how it's possible or even worth developing saftware that would mimic 1st gen hardware and fragment their platform even more. We will see how this plays out...........

 

[Gregkeys]

I suspect the difference is between those who paid $2500 and $3000 for AP1 what sucks (well from my perspective anyways) is the ones who paid $2500 lose the discount they got on $2500 AP1 before the price increase when they upgrade to APE