Model X 60D Now Available in Design Studio

[ohmman]

My 90D X is giving about only 80% of Rated Mileage (I do have 22" wheels") and I cannot see how a 200 RM 60D to be practical. A 180 mile real world driving range will make me very nervous to take it on a SF to LA trip even though we have an extra SC at Buttonwillow now.

It looks like they changed a few things - acceleration, top speed, etc. to reach that number. I wish I could opt in for a slightly slower 90D with a longer range.

I agree, though. The real world range of the 60D is going to be such that there will likely be a lot of "in-app purchases" on road trips.

 

[cranker2k]

My 90D X is giving about only 80% of Rated Mileage (I do have 22" wheels") and I cannot see how a 200 RM 60D to be practical. A 180 mile real world driving range will make me very nervous to take it on a SF to LA trip even though we have an extra SC at Buttonwillow now.

I agree with this. I have a 90D on order, and I still wish for 100kw precisely for the Bay Area to LA Area trips. 60kw means it's only good for Bay Area work commute and to Santa Cruz. Even from San Jose to Sacramento require some calculations.

 

[boofagle]

My 90D X is giving about only 80% of Rated Mileage (I do have 22" wheels") and I cannot see how a 200 RM 60D to be practical. A 180 mile real world driving range will make me very nervous to take it on a SF to LA trip even though we have an extra SC at Buttonwillow now.

It's not for everyone. It might work just fine for someone who does 99% of their driving within 50 miles of their home. Luckily, unlike the Leaf, Tesla gives us options for much larger batteries and if the need for more range ever arises (move to another area, etc.) you have the option to unlock more miles instead of buying a whole new car.

 

[zackaton]

I am curious to know as well. I wonder if the 60D is just the 75D battery limited. Hopefully you can upgrade later if so I am all in on the 60D for sure.

Was just on the phone with Tesla sales, they confirmed that the 60D is software limited 75D.

I tried asking if they can change my confirmed S60 (delivery late Nov-Dec) to an X60 order. But the nice representative on the phone couldn't do it without cancelling the S and forfeiting the $2500 deposit.

 

[McHoffa]

Was just on the phone with Tesla sales, they confirmed that the 60D is software limited 75D.

I tried asking if they can change my confirmed S60 (delivery late Nov-Dec) to an X60 order. But the nice representative on the phone couldn't do it without cancelling the S and forfeiting the $2500 deposit.

Wow, you'd think with a delivery date that far out, they could do something. I would go up the ladder.

 

[Xminus6]

It's not for everyone. It might work just fine for someone who does 99% of their driving within 50 miles of their home. Luckily, unlike the Leaf, Tesla gives us options for much larger batteries and if the need for more range ever arises (move to another area, etc.) you have the option to unlock more miles instead of buying a whole new car.

I agree. Even though I personally wouldn't buy a 60D it could cover my needs 99% of the time. Even on days where I have to drive into the city, round-trip to clients in Silicon Valley, then back home from the office the 60D would cover that use. That's the longest either of us will drive 99.5% of the time. We have an ICE for longer trips right now and a RAV4 EV for when one of us needs to only go into the city and the other needs to go to SV. A 60D Model X would be a very good second car for a lot of families.

 

[zackaton]

Wow, you'd think with a delivery date that far out, they could do something. I would go up the ladder.

Spoke to my delivery specialist and owner adviser, they are adamant that I would have to forfeit the $2,500 deposit to change from a S to a X. I'll love the S, but would of been nice to have the option to switch even if I have to pay the $500 change fee.

 

[McHoffa]

Spoke to my delivery specialist and owner adviser, they are adamant that I would have to forfeit the $2,500 deposit to change from a S to a X. I'll love the S, but would of been nice to have the option to switch even if I have to pay the $500 change fee.

Me, personally, I would keep trying to go further up the ladder if I really wanted to switch. They can't be building your car already if it's that far from delivery.

 

[gmtom1]

I just emailed my DS to see if I can downgrade my order to a 60D. I have an existing X 75D order (formerly a 70D order) with a VIN that I was anticipating delivery in early September. I don't think production started yet, but since it's a software change, I don't see how it would matter even if the car was done.

Since I was once a 70D order, I wonder if the downgrade price would be the full $9,000 difference between current 75D and 60D pricing, or less since I got the "free" 75D upgrade.

I have a S60 now with ~175 miles range that is just fine for my needs.

 

[Super_Popular]

Why? Orders dont need to hurt for a company to want to increase sales.

They are not "hurting" but they need orders stat, sales are slumping on the X from what I was told.

 

[Superloud]

Does it rub anyone else the wrong way that tesla sent out an email saying that the price starts at $64k "after incentives" (in California that is...not sure if folks in other states got a different email?), when, at least at the moment, it appears that the funds for the $2500 rebate have dried up?

I guess this is a more general comment, because the $2500 CA rebate still shows up on the model S order page. It's just a little different to broadcast an email suggesting the price starts at $64k while the CA rebate is uncertain.

 

[ecarfan]

I started a thread with this post in the X forum 5 days ago...

Elon has stated multiple times that he wants to only sell cars with at least 200 miles of range (EPA rating). Currently, the X 75D is rated at 237. The S 75D is rated at 259. Because the X is larger it has 8.5% less range for the same size battery.

If Tesla offered an X 60D it seems to me that it could possibly still achieve an EPA range rating of 200 miles (based on the 218 mile EPA range of the S 60D) but would cost significantly less than the X 75D, since the S 60D costs $8.5K less than the S 75D. So Tesla could offer a base X 60D for $74,500, much less than the current base X 75D price of $83K. That could expand the potential market for the X. Certainly there are potential buyers who would be satisfied with a 200 mile range X, especially as the Supercharger network increases in number and density.

I think it quite possible that sometime next year Tesla will offer an X 60D, or whatever the smallest battery offering will be at that time. If next year the S battery choices get bumped up to 65/80/95 then it seems feasible to offer the X with those 3 choices as well.

 

[MG1234]

Notwithstanding your comment on the CA funds, I'm in Nj and the email was specific to location: mine shows 66.5k

 

[Drivin]

They are not "hurting" but they need orders stat, sales are slumping on the X from what I was told.

Why do they need orders? Didn't Tesla have a ton of preorders? I don't remember the number, but I thought it was a sizable number.

Also, a ton of preorders, is the wrong phrase since a vehicle weighs over 2000 pounds, so a ton would be like 1/2 a vehicle. Please excuse my english.

 

[MiddKid]

Why do they need orders? Didn't Tesla have a ton of preorders? I don't remember the number, but I thought it was a sizable number.

Preorders do not equal orders.

 

[ggnykk]

I am curious to know as well. I wonder if the 60D is just the 75D battery limited. Hopefully you can upgrade later if so I am all in on the 60D for sure.

Yes, it is a 75 kwh battery software limited to 60. The Tesla email that I got explicitly states this fact.

 

[hill]

Is it too late to limit my software if my 75D delivery is next week?

call & ask ! ! ! Ya gona believe us buggers, that you can hold to any level of accountability? or the Tesla folk. Just sayin'.

Was just on the phone with Tesla sales, they confirmed that the 60D is software limited 75D.

I tried asking if they can change my confirmed S60 (delivery late Nov-Dec) to an X60 order. But the nice representative on the phone couldn't do it without cancelling the S and forfeiting the $2500 deposit.

Try someone else on the phone. I've gotten different answers from different responders. BTW .... $2500 deposit ?? It's gone down ?? When did it drop from the $5K ~
One other BTW that crossed my mind - I wonder how much longer the pack's range capacity lasts by using bigger buffers at the bottom & top of the usable percentages ... and how much does this decrease vampire capacity loss. Maybe it's still to early to get that kind of detail.
One other FYI - our 60kWh email notice said right up front that system is simply a limited 75kWh pack. Wasn't that in everyone else's email? Or are folks simply not reading the whole thing.
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[lance p]

This is bad news for Tesla shareholders, in that it clearly shows that X demand is weak. There is no way the company would do this if demand for the 90 and the 75 was in excess of production capacity. The 60 costs the same as the 75 to manufacture (since they are the same in all respects but software limited range), but the company gets $9k less in revenue, at least in the short term.

So, on another topic, given that the 60kWh pack is 80% of the capacity of the 75kWh pack (60/75 = 0.80), how is it that the rated range is 200/237 = 84%? The cars must weigh the same, the acceleration specs are the same, etc? I would understand if the 60 had a lighter pack and thus had greater energy efficiency, but that is not the case here. Any thoughts?

 

[Drivin]

Preorders do not equal orders.

Correct!
But what is the ratio of pre-orders that turn into orders? EVObsession thought in October 2015, that they had around 30,000.

But if they "need orders", can't they turn some of these "preorders" (which means people expressed interest and even put money down in some cases) to orders (see, I know the difference between pre-orders and orders My english isn't that bad!) ?

Isn't that easier than trying to reach another group by lowering the price/capabilities point?

 

[jelloslug]

This is bad news for Tesla shareholders, in that it clearly shows that X demand is weak. There is no way the company would do this if demand for the 90 and the 75 was in excess of production capacity. The 60 costs the same as the 75 to manufacture (since they are the same in all respects but software limited range), but the company gets $9k less in revenue, at least in the short term.