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Discussion in 'Model X: Battery & Charging' started by GaryBowler, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. GaryBowler

    GaryBowler Member

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    3-Month Anniversary! Yeah!
    Hopefully only a quick answer is needed: on the few times I've charged to 100%, the last 5% took 20 minutes - why?

    THANKS! ;)
     
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    Congrats!

    Charging slows down toward the last 10% or so in order to protect the battery long-term.
     
  3. Rocky_H

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    The thing that I have heard that makes that last few % really slow is that with thousands of cells being charged and discharged in groups from normal use, there are very minor differences among the various cells that cause some to give or take energy just a little more or faster than others, so they will get slightly out of balance with each other. So if you are charging it up to very near full, where the current is getting low anyway, it goes into a balancing cycle, where it will try to carefully even out the cells' energy levels from that variability.
     
  4. kiwi

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    As mentioned above - charging slows as the battery gets full. Otherwise the battery's lifespan would be reduced.
    Here is a more detailed graph:

    https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/b440c7d0-86c7-4853-beb4-4a8f9790981a-png.277091/

    Its for a model 3 - but the results will be very similar for your X (and mine).
    The graph plots battery charge (in %) and also charging power (kW - how quickly power is being transferred to your battery). You can see on the left that the charging power quickly ramps to 120kW, or about 500km of range per hour. Then as the battery fills up the rate reduces. As you have found, those last few percent really take a long time.

    From an time-efficiency standpoint - charge the car as little as possible to do all the driving you need (such as getting to the next supercharger). That way all your charging is in the fast region (when the battery is not full). Filling it to 100% every time will be very slow, and likely not unnecessary if you don't need those extra few kilometres.

    In other words - to make the best use of your time - it is quicker to charge the battery when it is lower (say 20% charge to 70%) than keeping it full (say 50% charge to 100%). You get the same amount of driving (50%), but spend less time at the pump.

    Also, batteries get the most wear and tear at the two extremes - 0% and 100%. From a longevity standpoint - its better to keep the car below 80% or 90%. I plan to drive my X into the ground, and so I only charge it over 80% on long trips - to baby the battery.
     
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    I remember your use case, @GaryBowler , where you are charging it up at a Supercharger on weekends to keep it stored at home for the week. I do think you'll find that balance where maybe 95% or so will do what you want without that really bad wait to get all the way full.
     
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    Think of it like filling a bucket of water. You want to fill the bucket as quickly as possible but without having water splash out of the bucket. So the fuller the bucket gets, the slower the water has to flow into it to prevent overflowing.

    Same concept with battery charging.
     
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