Model X Signature Configuration has begun!

[lucy]

So glad to be a member of this forum.
The news outlets come to US for information, report it hours or days late, then f*#> it up, leave out important details.

HUGE thanks to all sig holders for sharing info, and to all the talented :smile: artists for the drawings of seat configuration! I haven't seen so much porn in a long time!

 

[Zoomit]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the adjustable (more likely retractable) thigh supports on the 2nd row seats. The only reason to add that complexity is to reduce the size/length of the lower seat...

 

[Skotty]

Yeah, I was having similar thoughts. Also, is LATCH required for these 2nd row seats? Even if the 3rd row meet the legal requirements (?) I would be disappointed without it being in the 2nd row. That said, the renderings make it a bit hard to see where it would be given that the seat back doesn't appear split from the bottom. That said, it may be somehow between the seats.

Also, I haven't seen anyone post a reasonable explanation on how swivel might actually work (90 degrees for easy exit/baby access, or 180 degrees a la Extant). Although I don't really think it's probable, at least having 90 degree swivel might be nice. The way it could possibly work would be for the outer second row seats to move forward and then up before swiveling (a piston raises it just a few inches). This would get the base and back out of the way from the middle seat so it could do the swivel. It looks possible given the pedestal system images, but I still find it unlikely. Guess we'll just have to wait for the real reveal.

I can almost guarantee you that the 2nd row will have LATCH. From the beginning, Elon talked about making it easier to put a kid in the car (usually when discussing falcon wing doors).

That said, there is another opportunity for improvement that likely doesn't exist on the X but would be a good idea to play with in the future (though could require some regulatory hurdles and beefy construction). Extending LATCH attachments. Imagine the LATCH attachments extending out for infant seat installation, and even better, if it had sensors and could auto-tension the infant seat when retracting. So they extend out, you attach it just "finger tight" to so speak, then it retracts to the point that puts the right amount on tension on the attachments. If you made it too lose and it couldn't retract far enough, it would beep at you and make you do it again or something.

Easy attach, easy remove, and no more trying to bend upside and sideways, climbing into the seat like a cat trying to climb under a door, trying to get your knees in the car seat to squish it down enough to get it tight enough. That is one task I would not miss.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Tesla should tell us how those second row seats work! No reason for secrecy.

 

[fengshui]

Adding onto my prior post #372, here is my own "stick figure" 2nd row seat concept that I was speculating about. You'll just have to forgive me for the extra "h" in wipe, it's part of the image now and I'm not going back to fix it.

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I like this solution, but I don't see Tesla going for it. They're going to want a really impressive number for rear cargo space in cubic-feet. This solution wastes a bunch of space under the 2nd row seat where the blue car seat and red kid stuff are.

Thanks for ProphetM for doing the MSPaint version of my ASCII art.

 

[GasDoc]

Look at how the third row seats rest on a portion of the floor that is raised. My theory is that the second row seats rotate 90 degrees counterclockwise, drop flush to the floor and move forward so that the bottom of the second row is flush to the back of the front row.

The third row seats could then rotate forward and unfold so that they are flush with the floor beneath the third row seat. The floor of the cabin would be comprised of the bottom of the third row and the back of the third row. All the leather seating surfaces would be protected.

The hinge point of the third row rolling forward (clockwise) would be the bottom of the front of the seat.


Third row goes from this:

x
X
X
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to this:


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Analog representation of my theory:

 

[apacheguy]

LOL, just skimming the thread over lunch and 95% of this thread is seats, seats, seats, seats! Isn't there anything more interesting to discuss than the darn seats?

 

[Gtoffo]

A couple of hints from the past. Things might have changed......but I doubt it. At most I would expect that the 2nd row could tilt forward a bit in "cargo mode".

 

[brandeeno]

Adding onto my prior post #372, here is my own "stick figure" 2nd row seat concept that I was speculating about. You'll just have to forgive me for the extra "h" in wipe, it's part of the image now and I'm not going back to fix it.

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This would require some mechanism to prevent the folding from occurring if the child is still in the seat

 

[MartinAustin]

...95% of this thread is seats, seats, seats, seats! Isn't there anything more interesting to discuss than the darn seats?

I wouldn't stand for all this talking about seats, if I were you...

 

[ZachShahan]

Expecting magic is in my book a setup for disappointment
Given the one image we saw think the second seat will pivot forward and headrests may fold/pivot too to create a flat surface; but I'm not dwelling on the alternatives too much, it's not too actionable. I'm just now looking forward to the trickle of surprises popcorn in hand, so to speak.
(Where's AnxietyRanger when we need him.. to do the real-time analysis of the implications of every pixel!)

Yeah, I've resigned myself to no huge surprises from what we're seeing. Oh well. Where is AR?

 

[scottf200]

LOL, just skimming the thread over lunch and 95% of this thread is seats, seats, seats, seats! Isn't there anything more interesting to discuss than the darn seats?

NO doubt. Have a unique thread about the big whooping seats.

 

[Zoomit]

That's pretty much what I am thinking. I think maybe the pillars themselves will be able to move forward to allow space for the 3rd row seats to swing down onto the floor behind the second row. Like so:

The 3rd row headrests would need to be removed for that second flip down, and it looks like they are removable.

Helpful picture, but the 3rd row makes NO SENSE. The 3rd row must be able to be folded without affecting the 2nd row seats. The 3rd row folds rearward into the lower trunk, just like in minivans. This makes a level loading floor and allows 5 passenger seats to remain functional.

I do think you have the 2nd row mechanism correct. The 2nd row seats would have an adjustable back rest, unless there was a reason to maintain a unified seat structure. The seat lowering mechanism needs a strong seat structure to allow each seat to be independently moved and also mounted on a single pedestal.

 

[mikes_fsd]

Yeah, I've resigned myself to no huge surprises from what we're seeing. Oh well. Where is AR?

I can only imagine how slow TMC must be - at this moment - across the pond (for AR) if it is crawling on the east coast for me!

 

[Mattias]

I can only imagine how slow TMC must be - at this moment - across the pond (for AR) if it is crawling on the east coast for me!

You are very much correct, I´ve never seen the forum load as slow as today...

 

[fengshui]

Helpful picture, but the 3rd row makes NO SENSE. The 3rd row must be able to be folded without affecting the 2nd row seats. The 3rd row folds rearward into the lower trunk, just like in minivans. This makes a level loading floor and allows 5 passenger seats to remain functional.

The third row can be folded without affecting the 2nd row seats. You just fold it up and leave it in-place. You also have the secondary option of flipping it forward to create a flat bed. I don't think the 3rd row will fold rearward. The seats in the Model S can do it, but they are kid-sized. Adult-sized 3rd row seats don't seem like they'd fit.

 

[Zoomit]

NO doubt. Have a unique thread about the big whooping seats.

BUT, besides the extra ground clearance, the only functional uniqueness to the X is the interior volume--it's size, access, and layout. It's all about the seats right now with the new pictures available. Remember, this one's more focused on being a people mover...

 

[tinm]

Two questions.

(1) I am a tiny bit surprised there doesn't seem to be a DVD/Blu-ray entertainment system for middle and rear seat passengers, like so many SUVs and Minivans have. It's well-established that Elon hates music, since he offers no decent iPod/etc music integration with the Model S, the way every other car on the planet does. But I'd have figured the X would support some more multimedia stuff, since it's more of a family vehicle. No?

(2) The Model S's rear-view mirror in the front is up by front of roof where it meets the top of windshield. Fine. That means there's a place to hide the electrical wires that go to the gizmos in and around the rear-view mirror. But if the X's windshield glass keeps on going all the way to the middle of the top of the roof, then how do any electrical wires get to the rear-view mirror and any gizmos/cameras that may be present? It'd be awkward, would it not, if there was some wire cover obscuring part of the otherwise infinite-glass windshield.

 

[T1perry]

Rear facing seats?

Any into on the 4th row of rear facing seats?Sig X 931

 

[jhm]

I think a 70 kWh X will be over 200 miles for EPA rating.

Today we see 240 miles estimated by Tesla for the P90D X,

the Model S P85D is listed at 253 miles, and the website estimates +6% for upgrading from 85 to 90 kWh, so implied Model S P90D range of 268 miles.

this lets us approximate a Model X has 89.55% of the range of a Model S for the P90D version,

if the 70D X has 89.55% of the range of the Model S, that's 215 miles of range.

there are other variables, so this is a rough estimate, but I think over 200 miles of range on a 70 kWh X is very probable.

I hope you're right. It seems they are cutting it close with a 70. It may be a year before they need a smaller range Model X anyway. So maybe some other battery improvements are under development. Given that they have a 90 at 240 range, maybe they'll offer a 120 with 300 range in a year or two.