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Citizen-T
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You're right. They just need to release the information about the prototype to everyone before or at the same time they show it to the select few.
WhiteKnight
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What they did with the Model S was perfectly copacetic. They showed a select group of people (even if that group was large - measured in the thousands) and then they released a large amount of information on their website. And with everyone blogging et cetera it was like you were there.
What they cannot do (in my non-legal opinion) is show the prototype to a group of people and then release very limited information to the public via their website. There is probably very little chance they would do that. I am sure they will do it 100% right, 100% of the time.
What they cannot do (in my non-legal opinion) is show the prototype to a group of people and then release very limited information to the public via their website. There is probably very little chance they would do that. I am sure they will do it 100% right, 100% of the time.
WhiteKnight is correct - as a public company you can give information to a limited group such as analysts or journalists (as they both pretty much have legal restrictions on their ability to trade). What you can't do is give information to a select group (selected owners for example) and not publicize it as you effectively make them "insiders". For that reason alone it made sense to hold the Model S event over a Saturday/Sunday, but it was also prudent to allow the press in on the Friday already.
I was digging back through the model s forum and I noticed that people were putting deposits down the day it was unveiled back in 2009. If tesla follows suit, I guess preorders will open up around the unveiling.
As an aside, it's cool looking back at all the discussions and seeing what did or didn't pan out. I suspect we'll be doing the same with Model X, even though it should have a much shorter gestation period.
That does pose an interesting question. What was the gestation on the Roadster ... then the Model S... and how much of that will be shortened again for the X especially since the platform is done for the X.
I'll let those, like doug, who have been in the game much longer answer that definitively... But from the time of the reveal of the S (March-ish 2009) til release, will be about 3 years (though it was talked about as far back as 2006 from what I can see). Roadster was talked about a lot as well, but I THINK 2005-2008 would be the actual time spent on it aside from setbacks.
Like I said, one of the vets can probably give a much stronger indicator. Tesla is looking to unveil in late 2011 and launch in 2013 (mid? late?), so that would be about 1.5-2 years from unveil to launch.
I asked my customer service service rep, when we would be able to place a deposit on the model x. i was told, "it has not been announced yet. Keep an eye on the Tesla Motors site for deposit information when the Model X is announced" So it seems like we will be able to place a deposit on this vehicle once it has been shown, possibly in November!
Tesla started up in 2003, and spent about 3 years, with a very small team, getting some prototypes vehicles ready.
You can find some Roadster history on Wikipedia:
Tesla Roadster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
People immediately started putting deposits down as there were two seemingly finished cars on display giving rides, but they were really engineering prototypes and getting into proper production would take a while from then.
If you don't count more prototypes, and special cars for company founders, I think the first real production Roadsters (first "Signature 100") didn't show up to customers for about 2 years.
I wouldn't use the Roadster history as much a Roadmap to predict the future though. It was built with assemblies from different global suppliers. Tesla had to invent a lot of new technology to make it work. The technology was being proven as they went. The company was still getting itself established. There was a bunch of learning curve. Hopefully for future models the cycle will be shorter and more predictable...
Well my question was posed in order to see the magnitude of how fast they are speeding up the process now that they have a good bit of the experimentation. That is why I was curious about Roadster to S and then S to X should be even faster. Especially since S and X are really very similar compared to Roadster and S.
I don't have a link for you, but I remember hearing that the Model X will come out near the end of 2013. Did anyone read / see this?
About a year ago they seemed to be saying 2014:
Report: Tesla Model X Electric SUV Coming In 2014
More recently, late 2013?
Tesla to Sell Electric Model X in 2013, Make as Many as 15,000- Bloomberg
Report: Tesla Model X Electric SUV Coming In 2014
More recently, late 2013?
Tesla to Sell Electric Model X in 2013, Make as Many as 15,000- Bloomberg
(but that says "intends to sell" which is different from "production" and/or "delivery"...)
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Yeah, that's why I had it sort of open-ended. I forget where as well, but the vibe I've been getting is end of 2013 or early 2014. So safe to say sometime that winter if things go to plan. That's really not that far off from the S release. As I said elsewhere, they should be riding the waves of the S well into Q1 2013 since that'll be around the time that the current reservations get fully delivered.
From there they MAY do some advertising, but I suspect with the cars out on the road the attention may come virally. By the time it slows down (maybe summer 2013) the X would be on the way in about 6 months, starting the interest machine rolling again.
Had some free time in between engagements yesterday, so I swung by Tesla NYC (smaaaall store!). Talked with a cool guy, Paul, and we chatted about delivery, service etc. But then he mentioned something about there being some investment banker thing at that store in December. Got me wondering if that will be the "exclusive" Model X unveiling event.
As others have heard though, Paul said he wasn't told much more than that as he works too close with customers.
Funny aside, I thought all the staff on-hand at the October factory event were the local guys. Turns out one of the girls there in the office was in the back seat of the S when it rolled on stage. Nice of Tesla to spread the love around and not make the non-CA employees feel like outcasts :smile:
As others have heard though, Paul said he wasn't told much more than that as he works too close with customers.
Funny aside, I thought all the staff on-hand at the October factory event were the local guys. Turns out one of the girls there in the office was in the back seat of the S when it rolled on stage. Nice of Tesla to spread the love around and not make the non-CA employees feel like outcasts :smile:
Maybe, but likely not. Tesla's been good about letting appropriate groups use their stores for cocktail receptions; a renewable energy group I have ties to in DC had a great reception there. Good community building and free PR.
Understood, but he made it clear it was an event for the initial investors in TM
Hi,
Our escorts on the factory tour were all from the European group. They were very enthusiastic because the Fremont event was the first opportunity that the European contingent had to meet their North American counterparts.
Larry
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