EternalChampion
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The Volvo looks nice, and I'm sure that those who buy it will be happy. But I can't imagine going back to a gas station again. It seems a little "rotary phonish" to me.
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Don't be so naive. No one is serious (I hope). It's just used as a bargaining chip like it's been used a few times before.
I think many folks on this thread are serious and despite still having hopes for Model X in future iterations, are choosing the Volvo now.
I'd hate to go back to a PHEV and hear the ICE turn on again :-/ but it's better than a full ICE on most driving patterns
I went and looked at this vehicle. It is beautiful. It's definitely my close second choice at this point. Leather feels great, screen works well, wood inlay is amazing. I'm also torn about the "hybrid", with the annoyance of lugging the ICE around, vs not worrying about charging on trips. The e range would cover half my commute. Tough choices. Still leaning towards X, despite the unknowns and higher price etc.
I haven't test driven the XC90 T8 yet, but I think it's worth noting that I've driven the Outlander PHEV and the acceleration is so much weaker than a Tesla that I think it's a huge sacrifice. Even considerably weaker than a Leaf or Zoe, iirc. Just one of many factors, and may not matter to some, but it is hard to compare these PHEVs with pure electrics on drive quality -- not even accounting for other factors.
This does not matter to everyone, but it does not seem PHEV's allow performance car (or even average) acceleration AND zero emissions at the same time. A BEV like a Tesla simply offers a combination of strengths other drivetrains cannot.
You certainly could've done more research.
The Nissan Leaf does 0-60 in 10.2 seconds in Car and Driver test. The Outlander PHEV officially does 0-60 in 11 seconds with 200bhp.
The Volvo does 0-60 in 5.6 seconds with 400hp. Volvo even claimed that it accelerates faster then Model S 85 as mentioned earlier.
You certainly could've done more research.
The Nissan Leaf does 0-60 in 10.2 seconds in Car and Driver test. The Outlander PHEV officially does 0-60 in 11 seconds with 200bhp.
The Volvo does 0-60 in 5.6 seconds with 400hp. Volvo even claimed that it accelerates faster then Model S 85 as mentioned earlier.
You're absolute that we still receive our $6000 state credit on our taxes even when purchasing used? This may sway me to look at used Model S' rather than wait for my Model X "70D" option for another year...Thanks for the info. Also would you be able to provide me with your tax contact you use to file every year in a personal message? I need someone who understands EV incentives. Thanks!
And, of course, consider how willing you are to visit the gas station again on a regular basis....
It's unfortunate the Model S is still waiting on automatic emergency braking and other tech safety features. Tesla is trying to innovate with these bio-weapon filters and "sculptured" non-folding seats, but can't get the core necessities working.
Tesla is trying to innovate with these bio-weapon filters and "sculptured" non-folding seats, but can't get the core necessities working.
It appears that Model S actually performed worse on the injury measures compared to Q5 and XC60 despite having much less cabin intrusion in the pole test. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/databa...istvideo=Y&v_tstno=8310&database=v&tstno=8310
Funny you said that, because that happens to be quite relevant to the XC90 T8 PHEV.
I was look at the XC90 Brochure and unlike the T6 which has a 71L/18.8 gallon fuel tank, the T8 PHEV version has a tiny 50L/13.2 gallon tank.
That is down right pathetic and I can see that being a deal breaker to people.
According to EURO NCAP, the XC90 is superior in every category. Both are 5 stars, but you still have significantly better ratings on the XC90. Stop using pictures to judge a vehicles safety.
Official Volvo XC90 2015safety rating results
Euro NCAP | Car Details
It's unfortunate the Model S is still waiting on automatic emergency braking and other tech safety features. Tesla is trying to innovate with these bio-weapon filters and "sculptured" non-folding seats, but can't get the core necessities working.
Both of these are great vehicles, but need to decide which fit your needs. Model X was expected by many to be better in this regard.