How could one possibly want to drive a car with more than two seats and a roof?!
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My 2013 Nissan leaf has heated steering wheel. It does not make it a luxury car. No single feature can decide a car class. The whole package does.Yeah. Because if you compare a Model 3 with Honda Civic (which is more accurate) it gets trounced in sales.
Model 3 has a luxury price and performance with none of what really make a luxury vehicle.
And for those who disagree, get back to me when the Model 3 has a heated steering wheel
Again, California isn’t the only place people buy vehicles.
I would also submit no one in CA needs all wheel drive, but it’s an option.
My 2013 Nissan leaf has heated steering wheel. It does not make it a luxury car. No single feature can decide a car class. The whole package does.
My wife and I both have poor circulation and heated steering wheels were a must-have for us. That is, until my son pointed out how easy it is to have the whole car warmed up inside before you get in. We bought an M3 and love it.I think everyone understands that. The point being, how do you make a luxury vehicle without the OPTION of a heated steering wheel?
Again, California isn’t the only place people buy vehicles.
I would also submit no one in CA needs all wheel drive, but it’s an option.
Again, California isn’t the only place people buy vehicles.
I would also submit no one in CA needs all wheel drive, but it’s an option.
You didn’t address the actual argument. You stated that the Model 3 cannot be a luxury car because it’s sold without a heated steering wheel. The poster you replied to pointed out that that argument would imply that their Lexus and BMW cars are also not luxury cars(something obviously false). Whether or not California is a microcosm has nothing to do with that.
Sophomoric argument. Got anything more? Look. There’s a list of things Tesla has that Lexus and BMW don’t. And vica versa. Luxury is defined as “more than you actually need”. As in luxury vs necessity. What more is irrelevant. We don’t “need” heated steering wheel. Nor do we “need” summon. Yet either can be bought as an option on one car or another. Let’s just live with the fact that author of article that is topic of this thread used an existing ranking of “luxury” car sales. He neither named nor created it.You clearly missed the point. The Lexus and BMW have the option of ordering a heated steering wheel. Model 3 does not.
You clearly missed the point. The Lexus and BMW have the option of ordering a heated steering wheel. Model 3 does not.
Sophomoric argument. Got anything more? Look. There’s a list of things Tesla has that Lexus and BMW don’t. And vica versa. Luxury is defined as “more than you actually need”. As in luxury vs necessity. What more is irrelevant. We don’t “need” heated steering wheel. Nor do we “need” summon. Yet either can be bought as an option on one car or another. Let’s just live with the fact that author of article that is topic of this thread used an existing ranking of “luxury” car sales. He neither named nor created it.
Can we stop this silly debate over what constitutes luxury?
Aside from all the talk about what it is, the biggest problem with Model Y is range and range always goes together with charging rates.
For a car that hits real volumes in 2021, offering 230 and 300 miles is far too little. The base model might be one of the shortest range vehicles on the market by 2021. They need at least 15% more range and to update Model 3 by then too.
You don't get from 1% market share for BEV to 100% without trying much harder when it comes to charging rates plus range. With 230 miles you keep ICE alive to 2050. If Tesla can't substantially increase range every 2-3 years and push charging rates forward even faster, EV adoption stalls or someone else takes the lead. It wouldn't even cost much to increase range by 15% and in all fairness, 264 and 345 miles would be a bit thin, get it to 300 and 400 miles and folks that don't yet own an EV might get excited.
Real mass market would be a Model Y that's 10% smaller on all axis, sold as a sedan at $25k with 300+ miles of range in 2022. That's what gets them China , Europe and all else.
I pretty much agree. It's the biggest reason I bought a 75D model S instead of a 100D. That being said I do make road trips often enough that some extra range would be nice.How often would you use the car's full range in one day? Don't think ICE vehicle operations with gas station fillups once a week. Think cell phone operation. Where you use it during the day and charge it ever night while you sleep. And when you get in every morning it is "full".
I was really worried about this when I got my Model X 75D with "only" 200 miles of range. After a year I can say it is a complete non issue. Because I get up and have about 200 miles of range every morning. But I only drive 30-60 miles in a day and then charge it back up to 200 miles of range while I sleep. And FWIW the average US commute per day is around 50 miles.