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[bkp_duke]

He also said FSD was going to be ready years ago. He says a lot of things. They could easily make the MYP with 4680s and MYLR with 2170s until end of year. Who knows

Difference is that Drew Baglino with Tesla said these are in production NOW, and that he personally has been driving a production one around for weeks. This was back last month.

FACT - Austin is 4680 ONLY. They are not using 2170s, and will not be using them.

 

[Destiny1701]

Difference is that Drew Baglino with Tesla said these are in production NOW, and that he personally has been driving a production one around for weeks. This was back last month.

FACT - Austin is 4680 ONLY. They are not using 2170s, and will not be using them.

It will be fact when someone reports a 4680 as a delivered car . Hard data will support it.
Not saying Tesla is full of it…but…ok I am lol. They’ve exaggerated timelines and the truth more times than I can count lol. It’s the nature of Tesla to promise on Elon’s internal planet ‘mars’ clock but earth reality is often different.

 

[CLK350]

The MYLR and MYP are the same car just a slightly lowered suspention, some accessories and a software unlock. So they can run a group of MYLR and then a group of MYP if they want to.

What gets produced I think depends upon how many cars they think they can produce ( 4680 limit) and the actual performance of the cars coming from the factory.

As an example they could just produce MYP but because there really isn't a long wait for MYP's. It is much more prone to order holds or cancellations then the MYLR because there is less of a chance for a pricing hit in the event of a reconfiguration. As en example.
1) If the performance is better then the 2170 performance ( even of the posted specs are the same) tesla may have MYP orders cancelled in fremont until they switch over.
2) If they don't have enough 4680's for all MYP orders on the east coast you end up with orders getting cancelled out of austin until the 4680's are available to everyone who whats them.

The same Problems do still exist on the MYLR side but most people on the LR side have been waiting for 6 months and have a price differential they likely arent willing to loose so regardless of where the cars come from Tesla is less likely to see cancellations.

So we should know in a couple weeks.


If the specs and user tests appear identical after the first deliveries then I don't think 99% of the people will care where their car comes from.

OR they can produce Austin MY LR 4680's with ONLY new colors, so adding an easy possibly large premium, avoiding Osborning their other MY's ... would make the most sense.

We'll know soon enough how the Tesla marketing mavericks handle this one ;D

 

[Suns]

Difference is that Drew Baglino with Tesla said these are in production NOW, and that he personally has been driving a production one around for weeks. This was back last month.

FACT - Austin is 4680 ONLY. They are not using 2170s, and will not be using them.

If they make the P with the 4680 and LR with 2170s then it could be true that Tesla IS producing 4680s now and it could also be true thst the LR can be 2170s until 4680s ramp up. Idk how you can use the word fact when nobody actually knows

 

[advocate8]

Yep, you can add them aftermarket. There are sites that sells Yokes for the MY\M3 and youtubes that show you how to install them.

Does that mean @advocate8 has to cancel his order now?

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No, but it def means I am avoiding those videos showing people installing them...aeeeeiii! worst sort of porn.

 

[Msicario]

This was the reason my Profile was delayed two months. and the odd thing is that I have never been given a reminder . If you don't log in to your account you would never know . It tells you to manage your ouder in your tesla account under the date . Thats it. You have to log in to actually see that they want an odometer update.




The smaller batteries in the Plaid are because they can pull more current and they can cool it faster, its harder to cool the 2170s as fast as they would need to. So they could use the 2170's in the S but then it would be like the Mach E where you get 5 seconds of performance mode before it has to limit things to cool off.

The 4680's don't gernerate as much heat but if you had to cool that battery it would not be an easy thing to control the core temperture of a big battery like that under sustained performance. This is why I am really interested to see what the 4680's can do in the MYP and MYLR.

I for one thought the 4680 would give out longer range then the 2170 in the current 2022 model Y’s; If that’s not the case, why do people want the 4680 so bad?
Yes I know it’s lighter, cheaper to make, and perhaps safer.
But can you help me understand more?

 

[advocate8]

I for one thought the 4680 would give out longer range then the 2170 in the current 2022 model Y’s; If that’s not the case, why do people want the 4680 so bad?
Yes I know it’s lighter, cheaper to make, and perhaps safer.
But can you help me understand more?

If it were lighter by a couple hundred pounds and a stiffer chassis for better handling I’d call that a win. There’s a lot of talk about the 4680 version charging faster and lasting longer but right now those seem like maybe-yes-, maybe-no things. People here on the forum probably on net are more excited about it than it warrants but it will likely be at least a decent plus. Especially down the road after the teething issues of a new factory are worked out.

 

[bkp_duke]

I for one thought the 4680 would give out longer range then the 2170 in the current 2022 model Y’s; If that’s not the case, why do people want the 4680 so bad?
Yes I know it’s lighter, cheaper to make, and perhaps safer.
But can you help me understand more?

Tesla can use fewer cells to get the same rang and not "fill" the structural pack. Remember, long-term, Tesla is battery constrained (this year they are microprocessor constrained, but only this year, per Elon).

So Tesla can make fewer, longer-range cars, or they can use less cells, get the same range and make more cars.

The 4680 is much cheaper for them to produce than traditional "wet" electrode cells.

If you want the nitty gritty, read and study the Battery Day slide deck from 2019. There so many nuggets in that thing, it's not even funny.

2020-battery-day-presentation-deck

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tesla-share.thron.com

TL;DR version:
- MUCH lower production costs
- MUCH smaller production footprint per GWh
- Improved chemistry AND structural pack gives better thermal characteristics (this in theory should provide longer life, less battery degradation over time) - i.e. this battery should last a VERY long time compared to the 2170 batteries, which are already industry-leading.
- Potentially much longer-range car variants (if full space savings by structural battery pack is utilized for additional cells - BIG IF per my above).

Given Tesla has a backlog of orders, I would expect them to NOT produce an "extra long range" variant anytime soon, and instead focus on a 4680-based car with similar range to the current 2170-based variant.

 

[Firocity]

The white Denver one that is being treated as legit still by various YouTube and Twitter pundits?

Yes, I do not believe it is real. The NHTSA VIN decoder doesn’t mean anything. Someone in either this thread or another mentioned you can plug in a fake VIN and it will register as valid.

 

[Soap]

Yes, I do not believe it is real. The NHTSA VIN decoder doesn’t mean anything. Someone in either this thread or another mentioned you can plug in a fake VIN and it will register as valid.

But I thought it was also reported by that twitter guy (don't recall his name) that he has some 'inside guy?' that confirmed the VIN on an internal database.

 

[BGOwner]

But I thought it was also reported by that twitter guy (don't recall his name) that he has some 'inside guy?' that confirmed the VIN on an internal database.

It was @sawyermerritt it may be a real VIN (Lucky Guess), but question is, it for a White one for an order in Colorado. Then again, since we have seen no MYP and this is a MYP and VIN is in the system, may be legit as if no MYP are being produced, it would not be a valid VIN

 

[advocate8]

It was @sawyermerritt it may be a real VIN (Lucky Guess), but question is, it for a White one for an order in Colorado. Then again, since we have seen no MYP and this is a MYP and VIN is in the system, may be legit as if no MYP are being produced, it would not be a valid VIN

At this point, I'm deeply skeptical of all such VIN claims. It is bizarre that people waste their time making up a VIN and faking an order page but they have been..... Other circumstantial evidence is a long long against this one being real: the fact there is no report of final EPA approval. And the fact that are more than 220 black and blue MYLR’s with, apparently, only black interiors. And zero white cars, zero MYP, zero white interiors.

 

[Mateo83]

I don't really understand why one would want to waste their and everyone else's time to create a fake vin. You think you will be able to maintain that lie of being the "first" Austin forever?

 

[Msicario]

Tesla can use fewer cells to get the same rang and not "fill" the structural pack. Remember, long-term, Tesla is battery constrained (this year they are microprocessor constrained, but only this year, per Elon).

So Tesla can make fewer, longer-range cars, or they can use less cells, get the same range and make more cars.

The 4680 is much cheaper for them to produce than traditional "wet" electrode cells.

If you want the nitty gritty, read and study the Battery Day slide deck from 2019. There so many nuggets in that thing, it's not even funny.

2020-battery-day-presentation-deck

No description

tesla-share.thron.com

TL;DR version:
- MUCH lower production costs
- MUCH smaller production footprint per GWh
- Improved chemistry AND structural pack gives better thermal characteristics (this in theory should provide longer life, less battery degradation over time) - i.e. this battery should last a VERY long time compared to the 2170 batteries, which are already industry-leading.
- Potentially much longer-range car variants (if full space savings by structural battery pack is utilized for additional cells - BIG IF per my above).

Given Tesla has a backlog of orders, I would expect them to NOT produce an "extra long range" variant anytime soon, and instead focus on a 4680-based car with similar range to the current 2170-based variant.

Thank you very well explained.
Very smart move to control future cost/profit; Longer range at a higher price, or perhaps build that $28K economy car.
One question; I heard that Panasonic Japan will also be selling 4680’s to other manufacturers; Or do they have a lone commitment/contract with Tesla?

 

[advocate8]

I don't really understand why one would want to waste their and everyone else's time to create a fake vin. You think you will be able to maintain that lie of being the "first" Austin forever?

in a month or so no one will care much. right now? I dont care much really but the endless Tesla YouTube hype machine is just super irritating after awhile...

 

[advocate8]

Tesla can use fewer cells to get the same rang and not "fill" the structural pack. Remember, long-term, Tesla is battery constrained (this year they are microprocessor constrained, but only this year, per Elon).

So Tesla can make fewer, longer-range cars, or they can use less cells, get the same range and make more cars.

The 4680 is much cheaper for them to produce than traditional "wet" electrode cells.

If you want the nitty gritty, read and study the Battery Day slide deck from 2019. There so many nuggets in that thing, it's not even funny.

2020-battery-day-presentation-deck

No description

tesla-share.thron.com

TL;DR version:
- MUCH lower production costs
- MUCH smaller production footprint per GWh
- Improved chemistry AND structural pack gives better thermal characteristics (this in theory should provide longer life, less battery degradation over time) - i.e. this battery should last a VERY long time compared to the 2170 batteries, which are already industry-leading.
- Potentially much longer-range car variants (if full space savings by structural battery pack is utilized for additional cells - BIG IF per my above).

Given Tesla has a backlog of orders, I would expect them to NOT produce an "extra long range" variant anytime soon, and instead focus on a 4680-based car with similar range to the current 2170-based variant.

That is a truly elegant version of the explanation. thanks much.

 

[beantownrich]

I don't really understand why one would want to waste their and everyone else's time to create a fake vin. You think you will be able to maintain that lie of being the "first" Austin forever?

Why would people do it? The kid at heart in me says it's a great way to mess with a lot of people who seems to jump at any bit of possible news. The cynic in me says there is soooooooooooooooo much ad revenue generated by setting off the clickbait machine that the Tesla News universe has become. How many views does that drivetesla.ca article get, especially when everyone references it even if their intentions are good.

I mean hey why don't we all just get in on the game. Have you seen how they changed the Model Y page to include the Model Y Plaid? Must mean Austin is starting real soon!

 

[CRIMSON_DATE]

Tesla can use fewer cells to get the same rang and not "fill" the structural pack. Remember, long-term, Tesla is battery constrained (this year they are microprocessor constrained, but only this year, per Elon).

They will need to "FIll" the structural pack. They either designed it for fewer cells or they may just be able to do it with some dummy cells to take up the additional space. The Batteries are part of the Structure so they can't just remove batteries and leave empty space without impacting the integrety

 

[blinkme323]

The fronts were the same. The rears were different part numbers but I am not sure if anyone has done a teardown of the Y & P rears

Rears are completely different motors now, MYP aimed at perf, MLR aimed at high efficiency. There is no way to make a MLR into an MYP at this time.

 

[Destiny1701]

It will be fact when someone reports a 4680 as a delivered car . Hard data will support it.
Not saying Tesla is full of it…but…ok I am lol. They’ve exaggerated timelines and the truth more times than I can count lol. It’s the nature of Tesla to promise on Elon’s internal planet ‘mars’ clock but earth reality is often different.

Why the down thumbs guys? It’s a known fact Tesla exaggerates timelines There is nothing to suggest Austin wouldn’t start with 2170’s until both factories can produce 4680’s and they aren’t offering 2 products at the same time. I’d love to believe Tesla commentary but quarterly delays occur more often than not. Not saying they won’t come, just a matter of when.