Why wouldn't a 5-door qualify as a hot hatch? Among my car enthusiast friends, the vast majority would consider the Subaru WRX 5-door, Ford Focus RS, and VW Golf R to be hot hatches. They have a hatch in the back. Proportionally they are shorter in the rear than wagons. Wikipedia states that in general, hot hatches are 3 and 5 door hatchback cars.
Uhm... Because they are ugly? ;-) You must understand, I am very much biased against sedans in general, and five-door hatchbacks in particular. I like coupes. I prefer a single, longer door, as it makes it easier for me to get in and out of a car... And since I have long arms and legs, I can put the seat back as far as I want, and don't have to worry about a friggin' B-Pillar blocking my view when I look to the left... That is a big problem in most every sedan I've ever driven. I hate having to play Peek-A-Boo with the B-Pillar to check for hidden traffic prior to lane changes. I understand that some may consider certain vehicles 'HOT' because of the engine they run... I'm talking about cars that are 'HOT' because of their styling. Very few five-door hatchbacks actually look better or even as good as their three-door counterparts. BMW managed to [FOUL] up their singular attempt at a 3-Door hatch with the 318ti -- may it rest in peace. But everyone else does a MUCH better job with 3-Door hatchbacks, by making them HOT under the hood, as well as with exterior styling.
When you engage in discourse, online or otherwise, an unwritten rule is that we all use the same definitions. You can't unilaterally redefine the term "hot hatch" to be about looks, when the rest of the world knows it's about performance... I want to have a conversation about EV's - Oh, don't you know I'm talking about "eclectic vessels"? :tongue:
So, wait... You are saying that the 'hatch' that is considered 'hot' is what covers the motor? Aye dinna t'ink sew. 'Hot Hatch' is the car design. Just as 'Q Car' is the car design. And 'sleeper' is the appearance of the car. Five-Door hatchbacks are almost NEVER hot. They are truly ugly most of the time.
Nearly every source from Wikipedia to Top Gear talks about hot hatches as being high-performance cars with power and sporty suspension tuning. I also don't know anyone who bought a WRX hatch because it pretty. Maybe it's a geographic difference. Car people in my area of the U.S. buy hot hatches for performance, practicality, and a dose of obnoxious noise. Slightly offensive or jarring appearance is considered good.
Is there a thread about the Model Y? I also thought there is going to be another Model but someone I talked to suggested that the roadster was "Model Y?" Not sure. They said Elon Musk discussed it once. Model ""Why" make an electric car?"...
I thought it was the equivalent of the Model X as it relates to Model S. So... Model Y is to Model 3 as Model X is to Model S.
Hmmm. When he discussed the Trilogy master plan during the Model 3 reveal, he suggested Model X was 2.5 in the trilogy or "a 4 part trilogy." Maybe he meant so far...
Just like the X came after the S, the Y will come after the 3. Just consider for the sake of that graph that any where it says 3 it means 3/Y as in model 3 and model Y will be in those totals. When the Y comes out some orders for the 3 will be modified to be Y orders, the reservation is transferable.
Think of it as generations. Roadster = Gen-I (part 1 of the trilogy), Model S and X are both on Gen-II (part 2 of the trilogy) and Model 3 and Y are/will both be on Gen-III (part 3 of the trilogy). Or just think of Y as 3.5.
I was told the same by a senior Tesla employee in Europe just few days ago... He told me that "model Y" is in fact the new Roadster!
Well, I currently own a five-door hatchback (I think?) and IMHO it's one of the hottest cars out there I realize that is not compatible with American tastes, but most people around here like the car. It's a VW Polo 6R (5 doors) and looks like this: http://www.xxl-felgen.de/felgen-bilder-galerie/16-zoll-vw-polo-alufelgen-shop.jpg I'm afraid the Model 3&Y might be "epitomes of compromise" for me because I don't really like the looks of sedans / SUVs that much.