Bankruptcy?Getting bought out is not likely an option now that they’ve gone public. They’re already valued at more than almost any other car company save Tesla, VW and Toyota.
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Bankruptcy?Getting bought out is not likely an option now that they’ve gone public. They’re already valued at more than almost any other car company save Tesla, VW and Toyota.
Obviously possible but when a company is *expecting* multi-billion dollar losses and still gains 40% on its IPO, it’s a looooong way off.Bankruptcy?
Just a Bit of an over reaction. Name one unveil or announcement Tesla has not been delayed yet are doing pretty well. Been to this Rivian plant, they are in it for the long haul.I ordered the Rivian back in 2018. Very frustrating on the delays and baiting reservation holders this year that deliveries were going to start in the summer---> August---> September----> October, and now no word. I don't think they will survive in the long term on their own and will need to be bought out to survive. GM, Ford, and Tesla will come on line in the next year or two. Rivian simply cannot compete with these companies in terms of price, charging network, technology, and reputation.
Model 3. Model Y.Just a Bit of an over reaction. Name one unveil or announcement Tesla has not been delayed yet are doing pretty well. Been to this Rivian plant, they are in it for the long haul.
The Y will be like a rocket ship comparatively. Regrets? Nah, just regret staying ICE for so long...Long time 4Runner TRD owner here. Transitioning to a Model Y whenever it actually arrives. I'm excited about having a motor that isn't the slowest on the road for the mountains here in Colorado. I'm accepting of the fact that actual off-road experience will vanish, but that's only a few days a year that I get to enjoy the 4Runner in the manner and typically have to go deal with alignment or tire balancing issues thereafter. Anyone else make this change? Regretting it at all? Don't get me wrong, I love the 4Runner, but I don't love how it drives on the highway, up any hill, or it's 17cmpg...
Have owned the Pro and have a MYP now. The engine and transmission in the 4Runner are shameful for a car being built in 2021. But on the other hand it has that “buy it for life” feel—MY doesn’t.Long time 4Runner TRD owner here. Transitioning to a Model Y whenever it actually arrives. I'm excited about having a motor that isn't the slowest on the road for the mountains here in Colorado. I'm accepting of the fact that actual off-road experience will vanish, but that's only a few days a year that I get to enjoy the 4Runner in the manner and typically have to go deal with alignment or tire balancing issues thereafter. Anyone else make this change? Regretting it at all? Don't get me wrong, I love the 4Runner, but I don't love how it drives on the highway, up any hill, or it's 17cmpg...
Have owned the Pro and have a MYP now. The engine and transmission in the 4Runner are shameful for a car being built in 2021. But on the other hand it has that “buy it for life” feel—MY doesn’t.
The two don’t have anything in common driving. 4Runner has a bash through everything style and is very much a BOF truck feeling. MY obviously handles far better but has brittle ride quality in comparison.
In my original post, the price difference is only around $4k given the tax credit.
I was surprised by it being so close
Long time 4Runner TRD owner here. Transitioning to a Model Y whenever it actually arrives. I'm excited about having a motor that isn't the slowest on the road for the mountains here in Colorado. I'm accepting of the fact that actual off-road experience will vanish, but that's only a few days a year that I get to enjoy the 4Runner in the manner and typically have to go deal with alignment or tire balancing issues thereafter. Anyone else make this change? Regretting it at all? Don't get me wrong, I love the 4Runner, but I don't love how it drives on the highway, up any hill, or it's 17cmpg...
I think you made a great point, actual hardcore off roading is only for a very small section of the population. The "image" of hardcore off roading appeals to a much larger audience.Previously had a tundra that I would take off roading to trailheads, so I thought I would supe up a 4runner for even more off road chops. Went out to real trails several times, and decided "rock crawling" was not for me. Scratches, rim damage, popped a bead on a tire, having to wench out of spots too many times....off roading is really only for old, beat up, heavily modified trail specific rigs that are hauled to the trail via trailer. Saw soo many new expensive jeeps with just slightly larger tires get tons of damage. Its not meant for your daily drivers. I also didn't like having to spend a whole day to do a trail. Much rather be out backpacking.
Moving to the model y was absolutely fantastic, and totally changed how I look at driving. Still get excited to go for a drive. My wife and I are now getting his/hers MYPs. I WONT go back to an ICE car, and I love FSD which means only Tesla for me. I do have an electric truck on order (actually, 7 reservations (2 cybertrucks, 2 rivians, 2 hummers, 1 f150)) so I will have freedom to choose once they become available, but CT is my far and away preference. MYP will hold me over till then.
I think you made a great point, actual hardcore off roading is only for a very small section of the population. The "image" of hardcore off roading appeals to a much larger audience.
Glad to hear your experience with the Model Y, i too love my model 3 and would not go back to ICE. With all those reservations, I think you will end up with the vehicle that makes the most sense.
I do like the R1S "Range rover sport" vibe. A stylish off road capable vehicle that has great on-road manners. The major missing item from the Model Y is air ride suspension.
Right on the money here! If I end up buying an R1T, this is the likely extent that I'll use its off-road capability.But I now know the realities of off-roading, which...for a vehicle like this...the upper limit should only be very bad forest service roads that you need to take to trailheads. And I've been on plenty of those (looking at you southern utah) where you really do need a 4x4 with high clearance, so a model y isn't going to cut it for sure, and its fine to have an overbuilt off road rig for those trails since I'll know I'll be able to get through the trail without getting stuck, or maybe even help some other rig get unstuck.
I keep debating getting off road tires and a small lift on my Model Y so I can do some forest road driving for trail work. Only think that keeps me back is the fact that I don’t want to trash the paint. Usually I don’t care, but I paid for the red and love it.I think you made a great point, actual hardcore off roading is only for a very small section of the population. The "image" of hardcore off roading appeals to a much larger audience.
Glad to hear your experience with the Model Y, i too love my model 3 and would not go back to ICE. With all those reservations, I think you will end up with the vehicle that makes the most sense.
I do like the R1S "Range rover sport" vibe. A stylish off road capable vehicle that has great on-road manners. The major missing item from the Model Y is air ride suspension.