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Model Y to be based on Model 3 after all

Discussion in 'Model Y' started by BluestarE3, Aug 2, 2017.

  1. Xenoilphobe

    Xenoilphobe Active Member

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    #41 Xenoilphobe, Oct 26, 2017
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    I think you might be a little off:

    2017 Model S: Frunk: 5.4 cu ft. rear hatch : 26.3 rear and rear hatch with seats down: 58.1 cu ft and rear hatch with with no rear jump seats 64.1 (under deck included) Max total= ~69.5 for the smaller flunk.

    Pre facelift Model S without "D" All-Wheel is even bigger due to the larger frunk and no "bio-hazard" filter eating up all the frunk space.
    See video here

    Model X is a mess - as they have changed so many configuration elements (seats that fold and others that don't and 5 / 7 passenger) etc... and cargo usability is limited due to different seat configurations. The 88.1 cu ft. number includes the frunk, So the X is only 18.6 cu ft larger than the current S and and has an even smaller delta to the classic model S's sans "D" with the larger frunk.
    Comparison of Model X vs Model S Storage Space

    Good thread here on the huge reduction in frunk size from classic to face-lifted bio-hazard mode Model S.
    Storage Space in Frunk
     
  2. Xenoilphobe

    Xenoilphobe Active Member

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    I'm hoping the Model Y standard is more Toyota RAV4 than those ugly BMW CUV's: Cute Utility Vehicle's especially the BMW 3 GT...

    Toyota RAV4 cargo specs: 38.4 ft³, 73.4 ft³ with seat area folded, this even dwarfs the X rear cargo room.. That should be the market target..

    The CUV market is huge in the USA, this is just the RAV4 sales, then add in the Honda CRV, the Hyundai (whatever they call theirs), etc.. etc.. market growth is amazing... 6X increase in 20 years. My sisters are both on their 3rd generation RAV4 they don't even cross shop they love them so much...

    This is why its so popular: The vehicle was designed for consumers wanting a vehicle that had most of the benefits of SUVs, such as increased cargo room, higher visibility, and the option of full-time four-wheel drive, along with the maneuverability and fuel economy of a compact car.

    RAV4 Sales
    2016 352.139
    2015 315.412
    2014 267.698
    2013 218.249
    2012 171.875
    2011 132.237
    2010 170.877
    2009 149.088
    2008 137.020
    2007 172.752
    2006 152.047
    2005 70.518
    2004 70.314
    2003 73.204
    2002 86.601
    2001 86.368
    2000 53.777
    1999 57.138
    1998 64.990
    1997 67.487
    1996 56.709
    1995
     
  3. electracity

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    I presume it will be more model X CUV/minivan ish. Aero tear drop shape.

    I prefer a boxier style, but I doubt that is possible.
     
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  4. Xenoilphobe

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    I like the boxier style too - it also needs a roof rack and a trailer hitch and AWD - or you can just call it a CV - Cute Vehicle, because that's all it is - no way to throw a kayak on top or a bike rack on the back.making it a true utility vehicle. etc. etc..
     
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    Tesla is a premium automaker and Model Y is not going to be in the same class as RAV4 or CRV. It will be much more expensive, probably around $40k - $45k base price.

    And though I’m not a big fan of BMW design especially their interiors, Toyotas aren’t exactly lookers either.
     
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    OK, seems like the 88.1 cu ft for the Model X is with all the seats down. We should compare the Model X cargo space for the five seat version with all seats up. But, I could not find that online. Anyone know?

    Anyway, the RAV4 38.4 cu ft is the number to beat, which should be possible with a frunk.

    Speaking of cargo space, I hope that the Model Y will also have an integrated solution for separating cargo and passanger. Perhaps some kind of roll up cargo divider, That's really important for safety when loading above the back seat.

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  7. arnis

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    True. Tesla misses cargo divider. It is a safety feature.
    Most likely it will continue until people get hurt, or a dog. Then they might reconsider.
    M3 doesn't need that, but Model S and X do (likely Y too).

    My older (different color) 5-series touring:
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    My brothers older 3-series touring
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    Coming from this world, I'm not impressed with Model S trunk cargo capacity, nor cargo attachment capability.
    Note: 5-series is shorter than Model S. And there is some extra room under the floor, especially if you remove spare.
    Notice metal hooks (there are some more behind the loading lip) and plastic hooks (for rubber bands and nets)
     
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  8. bambam4171

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    When the Model 3 was announced everybody was talking about how that big hole in the roof made it to install stuff during fabrication. How much of a design advantage ist.

    Now how would that work with FWD? Does not make sense IMHO unless it never was a huge advantage...
     

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