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Discussion in 'Australia & New Zealand' started by Blue heaven, May 21, 2017.

  1. Blue heaven

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    AGL wants 10pc electric cars as the new Electric Vehicle Council launches

    Federal Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg will announce a $390,000 grant from the Australian Renewable Energy Agency to support the uptake of EVs as part of the push.

    He noted the uptake rate of electric vehicles in Australia is projected to increase to 0.3 per cent by 2020 and 15 per cent by 2030 as electric vehicles become more price competitive.
     
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    Those numbers are krap! Stanford study says fossil-fueled cars will vanish in 8 years as ‘big oil’ collapses - Stanford study says fossil-fueled cars will vanish in 8 years as ‘big oil’ collapses
     
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    It appears AGL still does - from that article, they match a PHEV and their $1-a-day electric car power plan:
     
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    image.jpg The electric vehicle council has been around for a while although their Twitter feed provides a different outlook,The Federal government has funded the electric vehicles council to the tune of $390,000 this frees up men in suits to hold countless think tanks looking at ways to squeeze the last dollar out of the electric car buying public.
    Excuse my skeptical sarcasm but that's a federal politician in the photo.
     
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    *groan. You are unfortunately correct. In the same way funding a feasibility study can be called infrastructure spending, funding a council is in some way supporting the uptake of EVs. I was cynical when AGL was involved. Now physically ill...
     
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    Another media release: New national body to drive uptake of electric vehicles in Australia - Electric Vehicle Council

    Included is this: "While the global industry grows exponentially each year, Australia continues to miss out.....Addressing the barriers preventing the mass uptake of electric vehicles in Australia requires a consistent and collaborative effort across a range of sectors."

    At the moment, a base Model S 75 in NSW comes with $15833 of govt charges at purchase, not including GST. That's a big barrier.
     
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    Yeah most of that being the Luxury Car Tax. Notice also the generic Tesla heading, “After Incentives & Petrol Savings” - in Australia only refers to $2,300 in Petrol Savings - because there are no incentives.

    A more advanced country would increase the Luxury Car Tax threshold for EV’s. So fair enough a P100DL attracts the Luxury Car Tax but base models like a 75 should not attract the tax. A progressive thinking government would introduce real incentives to purchasing an EV. How about Stamp Duty free for a start?

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    The incentive is that you don't pay the 40c per litre fuel levy...the more you offset that the more you save relative to an ICE car. IMHO that's actually the best way to reward EV drivers. A P100D sitting in a millionaires garage being driven 5000kms per year is hardly moving the needle on the transition to renewable energy so why should those people be rewarded?
     
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    So what does this group do that the Australian Electric Vehicle Association doesn't do?
     
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    #12 Blue heaven, May 22, 2017
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    Because the people with an expensive Tesla Roadster, model S or Model X electric vehicle in the garage have put their money where their mouth is and partly funded the developement of the Model 3, the high volume medium cost sedan that will take the world to a sustainable future, the very same car that recieved 350,000 orders in the first week of deposits being taken.
     
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    The Electric vehicle council represents the interests of the industry that stands to profit from uptake of EVs, The Australian electric vehicle association represents the EV owners and future EV owners who will hand over the hard earned to buy the products. ( Thanks to a WA member for that nicely worded explanation.)
     
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    If funding Tesla to develop the M3 is the policy motivation wouldn't a direct financial contribution to Tesla be a more efficient means of funding Tesla?

    I really don't think that is the motivation. If it was, Josh would have been standing in front of a Tesla not a a whole range of sub 100k EVs. So it's hardly an argument to offer tax breaks to the top few percent of our population.
     
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    F/#%^berg is just a dickhead apologist for fossil fuels and the status quo. A boot licker, like most of the political trash in this country. Too strong?
     
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    The best way to fund developement of a low cost car is to sell a higher cost but compelling car with the right amount of profit margin, some Roadster, Model S/X buyers are very aware of this, some are not, some couldn't care less.

    Bearing in mind the 40 cents fuel tax is soon enough going to be replaced by a mileage tax I would be happy to pay an electric vehicle fuel tax if petrol/diesel drivers pay for a pollution tax that covers the extra burden on the Australian health system.
     
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    No, not too strong, you summed up Fraudenberg nicely.
     
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    At say 6L/100km for an ICE, you'd have to drive 650,000kms to get the govt charges that I quoted back in fuel levy savings. I'd also say the purchase price is important as most people can't choose day to day whether to go ICE or EV.

    Though obviously this situation will change rapidly in the next few years with the plummeting price of decent range EVs. Same with solar+storage vs coal/gas/nuclear/anything else. Some hope in a land of Trumps and F/#%^bergs.
     
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    And here is another opinion of the New "Electric Vehicle Council". **Warning NSFW**

    Go to 11:04 for the bit about the Electric Vehicle Council if you don't want to listen to the rant about gross polluting, pre 1989, Diesel trucks.
     

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