Knightshade
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FSD will always include the upgrade to HW3 for cars that didn't come with it- because 2.5 won't be capable of running the more advanced software that's coming.
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FSD will always include the upgrade to HW3 for cars that didn't come with it- because 2.5 won't be capable of running the more advanced software that's coming.
Any reason to believe the E-tron will be any more successful than the i-Pace? i-Pace has been delivering in the US since October - anyone here seen one yet on the road, except maybe CA? Goodcarbadcar.net shows the i-Pace only selling ~200 per month - Tesla moves more than that every day. Maybe everyone is waiting for the Taycan...
I haven’t seen an i-pace in the wild. But Jaguar sightings in general are pretty rare. I think the Audi might do better just because the brand has a larger base. Lots more folks walk through the showrooms and might notice they have an EV.
Knightshade
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FWIW Audi already has cut production targets by 20%... they said it's from battery shortages, but they've dropped the total worldwide production goal to like 45k cars... or less than 1/10th Teslas annual target.
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Maybe because iPace is a Jaguar. Audi ships almost 10x the number of cars that Jaguar does in the US. So, if that ratio was to hold, 2000 cars per month in S/X category is a large part of the market.
Yeah I looked at it last year before pulling the trigger on my S. "Jaguar" and "electric" just doesn't feel right! Though they have had the entire upscale non-Tesla EV market to themselves for nearly a year - you would think if there were that many Tesla haters just itching to buy some other luxury EV they'd be flying out of show rooms.
Let's see how many e-trons they actually sell each month - we'll know soon.
I've been away a bit... @MXWing
I have not, and I'm not going to pay Turo for the privilege. I only personally know one 3 owner and that's on an acquaintance level. He'd probably let me drive it but I don't have his number and only see him every few months.
Point taken, however.
No, I literally don't need an EV. I live 1.5 miles from work. That makes me a perfect EV candidate (shoot, a Think would do the trick). However, my company pays for my gas. Which means, buying an EV would increase my fuel spend!
I have 9 licensed vehicles at my disposal (none of them are really worth anything) and consequently by spreading the wealth I am at the gas station way more often to buy lottery tickets than I am gas. So stopping there is no big deal to me.
You can buy a LOT of used car at $35K. I could buy a really nice used Lotus, just for starters, or any number of quite interesting cars, some of which originally sold for six figures. Again, I'm not scared of used cars (it's all I've ever bought).
A Tesla fan will counter-argue "But none of them are as GOOD as the Tesla". Whether or not this is objectively true, I don't really care. I like INTERESTING vehicular relationships. Again I'm not married to the EV ideal, but I certainly wouldn't say no to one. I happen to notice however that with $35K I could very nearly buy a used Maserati AND an MV Augusta F4.
I own a Yugo. By all metrics it's a terrible car. But man does it have personality. It's a hoot to drive. I've never bought a vehicle in my life that was the best choice possible, and I like it that way.
That's not entirely true. Ford killed all of their cars in favor of high-profit SUVs, and are quite a few years behind everyone else on the EV curve.
It's way more fun to drive one than to discuss in my opinion.
I have not, and I'm not going to pay Turo for the privilege. I only personally know one 3 owner and that's on an acquaintance level. He'd probably let me drive it but I don't have his number and only see him every few months.
Point taken, however.
No, I literally don't need an EV. I live 1.5 miles from work. That makes me a perfect EV candidate (shoot, a Think would do the trick). However, my company pays for my gas. Which means, buying an EV would increase my fuel spend!
I have 9 licensed vehicles at my disposal (none of them are really worth anything) and consequently by spreading the wealth I am at the gas station way more often to buy lottery tickets than I am gas. So stopping there is no big deal to me.
You can buy a LOT of used car at $35K. I could buy a really nice used Lotus, just for starters, or any number of quite interesting cars, some of which originally sold for six figures. Again, I'm not scared of used cars (it's all I've ever bought).
A Tesla fan will counter-argue "But none of them are as GOOD as the Tesla". Whether or not this is objectively true, I don't really care. I like INTERESTING vehicular relationships. Again I'm not married to the EV ideal, but I certainly wouldn't say no to one. I happen to notice however that with $35K I could very nearly buy a used Maserati AND an MV Augusta F4.
I own a Yugo. By all metrics it's a terrible car. But man does it have personality. It's a hoot to drive. I've never bought a vehicle in my life that was the best choice possible, and I like it that way.
That's not entirely true. Ford killed all of their cars in favor of high-profit SUVs, and are quite a few years behind everyone else on the EV curve.
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Welcome back! Hope all is well.
For all the pins you've stuck into your Musk voodoo doll you really need to rent the Model 3 for a day and give it an honest run. What's the worst thing that can happen? You might actually like the car and figure out what all the fuss is ultimately about?
With the rate of Model 3s in the wild now, I imagine rates on Turo are dropping and that circle of Tesla acquaintances will grow.
Heck, get a PERFORMANCE and have some fun. Drive it down to 40miles and then supercharge it and see how fast that thing goes from empty to 70%.
No one NEEDS an EV unless they are @mattjs33 apparently. Almost none of us are set up the way you are. Therefore, you should rent one for awhile just to know what they are like.
A guy who runs an auto parts store but is afraid of used cars is a fish scared of water - you can't use your own unique circumstances to say a 100,000 mile battery warranties wouldn't help someone else.
Subjectively, objectively - you can see Tesla all over the road. You have spoken, I have spoken but look at what everyone but US is speaking. They are getting Model 3s in massive numbers.
People have their tastes.. that I get. Mine happens to be Tesla. With the 2nd Model 3, no more ICE or nothing else besides Tesla now.
Speaking of Maserati's... one was weaving through traffic until I caught up to it.
It looked new, what model Maserati, I don't know and don't care.
All I knew was it would not DARE to rev on me. I was right. By the time I turned, it was dropping behind vans and Camry's.
A under 70K car now that makes a Maserati cower - I find that extremely interesting.
Also - less than 35K with incentives. I had to get another one last week. Didn't tell my wife even. Forced her to drive it after I ran the numbers.
Added second Model 3 to family, 3SR stupid cheap.
For all the pins you've stuck into your Musk voodoo doll you really need to rent the Model 3 for a day and give it an honest run. What's the worst thing that can happen? You might actually like the car and figure out what all the fuss is ultimately about?
With the rate of Model 3s in the wild now, I imagine rates on Turo are dropping and that circle of Tesla acquaintances will grow.
Heck, get a PERFORMANCE and have some fun. Drive it down to 40miles and then supercharge it and see how fast that thing goes from empty to 70%.
No, I literally don't need an EV. I live 1.5 miles from work. That makes me a perfect EV candidate (shoot, a Think would do the trick). However, my company pays for my gas. Which means, buying an EV would increase my fuel spend!
I have 9 licensed vehicles at my disposal (none of them are really worth anything) and consequently by spreading the wealth I am at the gas station way more often to buy lottery tickets than I am gas. So stopping there is no big deal to me.
No one NEEDS an EV unless they are @mattjs33 apparently.
Almost none of us are set up the way you are. Therefore, you should rent one for awhile just to know what they are like.A guy who runs an auto parts store but is afraid of used cars is a fish scared of water - you can't use your own unique circumstances to say a 100,000 mile battery warranties wouldn't help someone else.
Subjectively, objectively - you can see Tesla all over the road. You have spoken, I have spoken but look at what everyone but US is speaking. They are getting Model 3s in massive numbers.
People have their tastes.. that I get. Mine happens to be Tesla. With the 2nd Model 3, no more ICE or nothing else besides Tesla now.
Speaking of Maserati's... one was weaving through traffic until I caught up to it.
It looked new, what model Maserati, I don't know and don't care.
All I knew was it would not DARE to rev on me. I was right. By the time I turned, it was dropping behind vans and Camry's.
A under 70K car now that makes a Maserati cower - I find that extremely interesting.
Also - less than 35K with incentives. I had to get another one last week. Didn't tell my wife even. Forced her to drive it after I ran the numbers.
Added second Model 3 to family, 3SR stupid cheap.
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See, even though I sometimes disagree with you, it's comments like this that make me have no choice but to like you.
For the record, I don't want Tesla to fail, nor do I think it will. I happen to think Elon is kind of a d!ck and is probably not the right person to be helming Tesla at the moment. He makes his life more difficult than he needs to, so he sure doesn't need my help.
I would actually welcome that, because as I've said before I always welcome a new driving experience. It's probably an eventuality.
No one NEEDS an EV unless they are @mattjs33 apparently.
Ha, I suppose not. But we'll get back to that.
True, yes, but the point I'm making is that a used car shouldn't scare anyone else off either. Cars are made so well now that 100,000 miles is really nothing anymore. You can argue that anything out of warranty poses a repair cost risk, that includes a Tesla, but there's a reason the average age of a car on the road is now brushing up against 12 years.
Recognize that a $35K (or $38K for that matter) price point includes a lot of very compelling product, and in the real world new cars of all brands including Tesla have to compete with that.
The Model 3 is selling very well, but "massive numbers" requires a bit of perspective. If you live in California, I'm sure it must seem as if they are everywhere. But despite all of Tesla's growth and sales success thus far in 2019 (which is palpable), they still have a smaller share of the US market than Jaguar/Land Rover. Ford and General Motors are over 20 times their size each, with Toyota and FCA coming in at 19 and 18 times larger respectively.
Over 17 million people who bought a new car in the US last year, DIDN'T buy a Tesla. Why not? I point this out because while pretty much everyone here thinks that Tesla is the Best Car in the World, there's a whole LOT of inferior cars being sold every day. Why would someone buy an inferior car?
A car purchase decision has a LOT of factors, and there are as many reasons to buy a particular car as there are people. Take my case above; you can laugh at it since who else would have the same scenario, but I'm sure there's others even more wacky, and others that make a lot of sense.
I've been here nine years and seen people say dumb things like Tesla will run the Detroit 3 out of business, or someday all cars on the road will be Teslas, and I'm telling you it's never gonna happen. Tesla is sure to grow as long as they don't do anything stupid, but if Mitsubishi is somehow still out there successfully selling cars, I think the Big Guys are going to be okay.
Building the Best Car in the World doesn't matter as much in the marketplace as you think it does.
Funny story, but again let's not forget that a large part of the market doesn't care about that. Only one car is the fastest in the world, and yet all the slower ones still sell. Tesla fans get REAL proud of 0-60 numbers, but I'll maintain that anything under about 4.5 all gets lumped into "pretty damn fast". It's mostly a d!ck waving contest after that.
My track car gives up a lot these days to the Corvettes, but I'm not sure there's anyone out there having any more fun than I am. Being fastest isn't always what it's all about, and anyway someone faster always comes along. Having said that, I'm sure the Model 3 speed is addictive and I'd like to experience it myself.
Even if Candice Swanepoel was a terrible dancer, I think I'd still be okay with her on my arm.
I was just using Maserati as an example that I've happened to look into previously. In any case, don't discount the appeal of uniqueness. It's the whole reason Morgan still exists.
Most importantly, the Leaf's battery degrades much faster since they are not liquid-cooled like Tesla (Chevy Bolt is the only other EV with liquid cooled battery). Plus the price, lol
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Model 3 has Arrived.
Primary factor is cost. Tesla HAS captured the majority of the market that the Model 3 exists in (and above, and below it). The remainder of the car buyers who did not buy a Model 3 would likely be grouped as follows:
- Lack of easily available charging (biggest reason IMO)
- Anti New-Technology
- Anti Tesla/EV's in general
- Fleet owners (large number of vehicle sales are this) who have yet to done the necessary cost/benefit analysis on a Model 3 and realize that it IS a good value proposition when taking maintenance and fuel costs into consideration.
- Does not meet functional criteria
- Majority of the vehicle sales are not sedans but trucks and larger vehicles. Passenger vehicles only account for 30% of the market.
No, I literally don't need an EV. I live 1.5 miles from work. That makes me a perfect EV candidate (shoot, a Think would do the trick). However, my company pays for my gas. Which means, buying an EV would increase my fuel spend!
Wow didn’t know anyone else in the same position as me! I’m Very close to my work and they pay for gas too. It would be rough having to pay for my fuel, but man the model 3is just so coooooooool.
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