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More than 1,000 U.S. Signatures (confirmed)

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by brianman, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    #1 brianman, Aug 24, 2012
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    According to posts on the TM forum, Tesla is (or is considering) opening up more U.S. Signatures if the Canadian Signatures don't meet the 200 target.

    Its Time to Build Your Model S | Forums | Tesla Motors
    Canadian pricing out... i am in tears | Forums | Tesla Motors
    I wonder how long before they update the site, and what kind of uproar that might trigger.

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    I must admit I'm a bit peeved. It goes against what I recall George saying the other day.

    Update:
    Here's what I was referring to:

    FALSE RUMOR: Founders list might be getting bigger. (GeorgeB responds))
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    Perhaps I was mistaken in reading into George's response that Tesla was aware of the concern and would not dilute the value of Signature limitedness. Bummer; that apparently is not the case.


    Delayed update, life's been busy...
     
  2. Larry Chanin

    Larry Chanin Model S Perf Sig 1055

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    Hi Brian,

    I'm not sure what your purpose is in resurrecting this discredited rumor about the Founders list? :confused:

    What's your complaint with the number of North American Signatures remaining the same?

    Larry
     
  3. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    My concern is with the U.S. Signature count changing.

    It's been 1,000 since the first day I looked at teslamotors.com Model S pages. I reserved, I configured, I signed the paperwork. Now the number has changed.

    Is nothing "locked in" in the Model S agreement?
     
  4. KBF

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    There will not be more than 1200 North American Signatures. They were always planning on doing that many, and would have had no issues with getting 200 Canadians had they qualified for NAFTA, I think.

    This is totally different than making up new Founders series runs for the privileged.
     
  5. brianman

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    Reread the thread title. It seems both of you have detoured.
     
  6. Larry Chanin

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    You mean like detouring to bring up a discredited rumor that has nothing to do with the issue?:wink:

    I have absolutely no problems with the U.S. Signature count increasing slightly if they are merely picking up an unfilled Canadian allotment.

    Larry
     
  7. brianman

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    In your opinion. As I noted in the original thread, the concern about the Founder's rumor for me was about Signature dilution not about the line skipping.

    This expressed change in course dilutes in exactly the same way. And I'm bothered by it. Perhaps I'm alone in that concern, perhaps not.
     
  8. FlasherZ

    FlasherZ Sig Model S + Sig Model X + Model 3 Resv

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    Doesn't bother me, 1200 signatures is 1200 signatures in North America, whether it's 1000 US, 200 CDN, or 1050 US, 150 CDN, or 1100 US, 100 CDN.

    I see plates from Quebec, Ontario, BC, etc. down here all the time, and I'm not going to squabble over it. Really, does having an extra 50 or 100 Sigs in the US really dilute the value?
     
  9. brianman

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    Yes, it does.
     
  10. dsm363

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    While it does take away from the US being a nice round 1,000 number it shouldn't really make much of a difference in resell value. It's not like they're adding another 1,000 Signature spots. I understand why that might upset someone but Tesla also is running a business. They've said 1,200 NA Sigs for awhile now so they'd be leaving money on the table if there are US customers willing to pay the Signature premium.
     
  11. Larry Chanin

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    In your opinion. :wink:

    Larry
     
  12. brianman

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    Um, no. It's math.
     
  13. Grendal

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    This seems to be one of those discussions where both sides are right but have a different way of looking at it. Brianman certainly has a point that, if true, there will be more Signatures in the US and that it devalues their inherent value in some small way. The others are also correct that Tesla has always intended there to be 1200 Signatures for the US and Canada. It's in Tesla's business interest to fill all the Signature slots so that's the way it will likely come out. Right now Tesla needs every dollar they can get, so how upset are you going to get over the adjustment if it's true, brianman?
     
  14. Norbert

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    Plus, they may have the corresponding components ready (for example a certain amount of sig red paint), and other components (and corresponding robot programs) perhaps not yet ready (for example the standard sound). And yes, 50 * $40k = $2 million very soon (this quarter), and a number of fully equipped cars soon after, may make a small but noticeable difference.
     
  15. MikeK

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    Well, let me put it this way. If that were to happen, I sure hope I'm within the first 20 or so slots on the Signature waiting list by now. Because heck yes.
     
  16. Doug_G

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    First of all, the forum tally is almost certainly incorrect. It shows 162 Canadian Signatures. It does not show the Signature Special list (Roadster owners), because for some reason michiganmodels decided not to tally them. A friend of mine got Signature Special #23 last month.

    That suggests that the tally is actually 185. Since they compressed the Canadian reservation numbers a while back, only recent dropouts would not be represented. I wouldn't be surprised if there was less than two dozen slots available.
     
  17. GSP

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    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Here's mine: Borders are just political constructs. It makes no difference if 200 or 180 cars are bought in a certain region. No one is getting upset about how many sigs are going to Texas, vs N. California, vs So Cal, etc.

    GSP

    PS. Every Tesla owner benefits with improved corporate revenue, especially the very timely revenue from 1200 sigs.
     
  18. Mkent

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    I am on the Sig waiting list. When I talked to the Tesla representative, he assured me it was "highly unlikely at this stage" I would receive a Sig. They have not closed the list which makes me speculate some people are still deciding wether to stay with there Sig or not. He added Tesla would not manufacturer more then 1200 Sigs for the North American market.
     
  19. Zythryn

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    Wow. This seems like such a small insignificant thing to get wound up over. Would you be as upset if you found out their had been 20 SSL buyers in your state and then one more moved into the state so there would be 21?
     
  20. Robert.Boston

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    Because Canadian cars can readily be resold in the US, and vice versa, this reallocation of the 1,200 NA Sigs (if true) doesn't shift the supply of Signature cars competing against you in a future resale of your Sig. Therefore it should have no effect on the price.
     

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