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MS vs CRV

Discussion in 'Model S' started by Joshuak172, Jul 22, 2017.

  1. Joshuak172

    Joshuak172 Member

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    Hey folks, thanks for being such a great wealth of information. As the title says, I am in the market for a new vehicle and I am trying to decide between the model S and a CRV and here's why:

    I am buying this vehicle primarily as a commuting vehicle. I commute 50 miles each way from northern Virginia to D.C. I test drove many vehicles comparing all their semi-autonomous capabilities. The first time I drove the tesla I wasn't all that impressed but the drive was limited primarily to side roads. I wrote off the tesla until the salesman convinced me to take it for 24 hours and try it on my commute. The 24 hours really convinced me that the model S is the way to go as the AP2 functionality was very impressive. The only way I could justify such an expensive vehicle is if the autopilot functionality vastly improved my fatigue during the commute. Having said that, the CRV brings some of the functionality of the MS whole being more reliable in terms of quality, semi-autonomous capabilities, depreciation, etc. at 1/3 the cost of an MS.

    Issues: it seems my MS experience is not at all homogenous. There are far too many posts of varying experiences and it would be quite disappointing if I bought a MS and it turned out that the functionality was not at least as good as the demo car I drove. Should I be that worried about getting a MS that doesn't drive like the demo did?

    In additon, the model 3 appears to have the same AP2 system as the MS and MX at a considerable price savings. Although I plan on having the vehicle for many years, the idea of paying 40-50k more for a vehicle that will have the same functionality as the M3 doesn't bode well for the value/depreciation front. Is a MS really worth that much more than a M3 based on the knowledge we have now?

    Also, the salesman has been suggesting a demo model S 90d at a considerable discount (13k) although it has 1800 miles. It seems like a great deal but the mere fact they are discounting a vehicle so much makes me weary of the potential depreciation that these vehicles face and the constant fluctuations in value because of Tesla's attempts to update the model/option offerings. Part of me thinks I should just base my decision on the perceived value and AP2 functionality now and not look back. Is wildly fluctuating depreciation a concern for anyone here?

    Finally, the CRV I drove was quite a great little SUV and had a significant amount of semi-autonomous functionality albeit with a bit less of the niceties of the MS but at only 30k it seems like a great deal. If I did buy the CRV I know I would just be waiting and lusting over the MS until I felt more comfortable with the purchase. In all I guess it seems hard to justify the purchase of an MS over something like a CRV with the idea that I drive the CRV until the chips fall a bit more on AP2 functionality and the M3's capabilities and impact on the market. How do you folks justify the purchase when Tesla seems to be in constant flux?

    Thanks in advance,
    Josh
     
  2. Magus

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    Most recent experience in upgrading tesla models is that they were very fair with the trade-in.
     
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  3. GSP

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    @Joshuak172,

    If you can wait 12-18 months for a Model 3, that may be your best option.

    If you can't wait, then then I would buy a used car to drive until I could get the M3 with AP2. Used Chevy Volts and Nissan Leafs are great deals for only $7-15k.

    Good Luck,

    GSP
     
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  4. Tiger

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    I would assume with 30k you can already get a used Model S if price is the issue? This way you won't have to look back.
     
  5. ScottChes

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    I own both an AP2 S and a CRV. The CRV's semi-autonomous features are nice but a mere shadow of what the S has now. The S is much more fun to drive and is our go-to car for road trips. PM me if you have questions that I can answer.
     
  6. KidDoc

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    You have to consider fuel & oil cost as well. The Model S basically gets about 90 mpg vs 30 for the CRV so roughly 1/3 fuel cost. No stops @ gas stations, no oil changes.

    I would go with a used model s if it doesn't destroy your budget. 100 miles/day is a considerable amount of your daily life on the road may as well enjoy it.
     
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  7. brkaus

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    Regarding the discount - standard dealers of other brands discount all the time. You could be getting a vastly different price from the next guy that walks on the lot.

    I will say, your not going to "save" enough on operating costs to make up for that extra 2/3 price. You have to do it because you want the car and can afford it.

    How to justify? The safety is a big part. But also can't take it with you mid-life crisis :oops:

    And the satisfaction in knowing I can get a mini-tesla for the kids for referrals instead of sending them to college.
     
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  8. brkaus

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    Oh yea, regarding the M3 vs the S... if your good with the size of the M3... by all means go that route. Or at least wait to see how you like the M3.

    It will have the same (or better) AP hardware.

    I held off on an S purchase for over a year due to size. But now that I purchased (after 3 overnight test drives plus a weekend), I love it.
     
  9. Joshuak172

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    Yeah,
    Thanks for the insight. Given I'm spending an average of 27 days/year in a vehicle I think I would be best served by enjoying that time as much as possible. Thanks again.
     
  10. Joshuak172

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    Size is probably the biggest reason not to get the M3. We have two kids and hopefully another on the way soon. Although, this will be a commuter car, we have an SUV for tim s when we need to pack up the whole family.
     
  11. No ICE

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    Both cars are great cars. But completely different. I think for the highway driving/ commute you can't beat the tesla with autopilot. 90D is a great car with excellent range. It is a lot of cash to pay up for a nicer highway commute. To me it comes down to if the car fits your budget? And if so, tesla wins hands down. Don't compare it to being 30-40k more in price, it is! Don't compare the CRV to a striped down Kia, the CRV is double that price as well.

    Again I think both are great cars. You either want to move to all electric and it won't strap your budget. Or the CRV is a great choice alternative.
    I have owned both cars as well. And did extensive tesla research before making our purchase decision. I have never once felt we made the wrong choice buying a tesla.
    Best of luck
     
  12. Hotlobstah

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    OMG go with the Tesla! I've had mine a year and it's been AWESOME! Back when my Tesla had a 60 kw battery(software limited...recently OTA update to 75) I traveled from Cape Cod to Orlando and back using AP1. It was a game changing, amazing experience making that drive fun and not agonizing(which it was with my ICE:eek:).

    I have a Model 3(early reservation but opted for the MS 60 when Elon offered it) reserved but am spoiled with my Model S and when it's time will replace it with another.

    From a value perspective, I'd look at a 30k CRV as a car valued at 30k(you can get a similar car for that much). With a Tesla at 100k your getting a million dollars worth of car...there is nothing in existence that can compare (until somebody else comes out with an electric super car).
     
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  13. Tam

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    I think it is about affordability.

    If you can afford the best, go with Tesla.

    If you can't then of course go with the cheaper.

    I could afford roomier Model X, so I didn't pay for cheaper Model S.

    If you can't afford a bigger Model S, then you can go for Model 3.

    I can't afford to WAIT for Model 3 so I bought a higher priced Tesla and I don't regret it because time is worth the money.

    I used to pay for cheap American Cars like Ford Escort, Focus... because like you I could not justify to spend money on expensive cars.

    My perspective changed when I became anti-oil in my middle-age crisis and was then willing to pay more to avoid gasoline car.

    Tesla has eased my middle-age crisis and more.

    Its ride is so nice. It's just like butter sliding on warm surface.

    I drive hundreds of miles one way because I am in the Central California and closest metropolitan or Tesla Service is about 200 miles away. But AP2 has made long distance a joy!

    It's your money, your time, your safety, your comfort, so make your choice!
     
  14. f-stop

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    @Joshuak172 I have a 2015 MS (AP1), wife has 2012 CRV which of course doesn't have the newer semiautonomous features. Before I got my MS I mostly drove the CRV instead of my own gas guzzling ICE so I know it well and like it, for what it is - it's a great little SUV for a family of four (the MS may be more comfortable for 5).

    I think if you enjoyed your overnight test drive that should be pretty indicative of what to expect should you decide to purchase an MS, of course ignoring features that may change with future sw updates.

    They are of course two vastly different cars so I wouldn't really try to compare them, you need to decide what need you're trying to fill. The quiet smooth ride and instant acceleration and electric torque of the MS puts it in a very different class than a CRV. Meanwhile the CRV is practical and reliable but nothing exciting to drive - it has this green ECON button (I think of it as the "go slow" button which I disengage before going up a steep hill or need to accelerate quickly). The MS is a massive car, I admit there still are times I'll purposely drive the CRV downtown if I know the parkade is very tight at my destination. Even though we don't drive the CRV as much any more, the annual gas cost per km is relatively high, after seeing how little it costs to drive electric - though that alone can't justify the price difference between the two cars.

    from what I've read the Honda Sensing driver assist features are pretty good, especially for the money. One spec I noticed is that the LKAS lane keeping only works above 72km/hr (MS auto steering works down to 30kph or so, not sure if that really makes any practical difference but just a spec I noticed.) There was some discusion over on reddit comparing Autopilot to other cars' semiauto systems if you want to dig into that aspect more. I've taken a 3500km road trip in my MS and used AP1 for probably 70-80 % of the Interstate miles and found it really does reduce stress & fatique. I've not driven an AP2 car so I can't comment on how that drives or some of its current missing-but-promised features, but for me the ability to get over the air software updates with a Tesla is a huge plus.

    Overall, I love driving my MS, even when I don't really have anywhere to go (other owners will agree, you can always find excuses to drive your Tesla)

    Meanwhile our CR-V gets us from A to B.

    Good luck with your decision!
     
  15. Dborn

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    The model 3 is not just a smaller cheaper model S. The comparison would be more like Toyota Corolla vs Lexus is200 or 250. Same size, same company but two very different cars.
    No one really knows what the 3 will include, so why not wait a week until the first cars are delivered, and then at least the full spec should appear on the Tesla website.
    You simply cannot compare electric drive to gas drive. Was in my wife's Honda for the first time in a very long time on Friday with her driving. The experience is simply excruciating. No real power, no immediate torque, noisy, bumpy, and she has to pay for gas and a myriad of other parts, oils, on a regular basis. Note, I said electric drive, NOT specifically Tesla. We are talking about the characteristic features of an electric motor that gas simply cannot ever match. I should note that you need to be thou roughly familiar with the Tesla to truly appreciate the difference between gas and electric. It took me a full 4 months to be totally comfortable with my model S. Mind you, I did come from a MUCH smaller car, a Mercedes B class.
    Also the CRV experience will not improve with time. Tesla does and so, since you aim to keep your car a long time, any failures/disappointments you have initially are likely to go away over time.
     
  16. steve841

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    Get the inventory demo if its in perfect condition and has what you want....

    1. Tax credit $7500 (likely bye bye after 3 reaches full production)
    2. Sweet discount off sticker is a great deal (I got my AP1 90d when AP2 started and also saved bigtime).
    3. Get the extra $1000 plus lifetime supercharging with the referral credit (shameless plug).
     
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    OK I didn't even read most of your post. Tesla or a CRV? Seriously? Go with the Tesla, 'nuff said. :)
     
  18. Joshuak172

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    Wow, you folks are super responsive. Thanks so much for assisting in my self-serving bias. I think I'm going to wait a week or two to see how the M3 shakes out and place an order. Thanks so much!
     
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