IF the fix involves software, then it is reasonable that a high number of people would eventually be affected - some immediately, some eventually based on tolerances of the hardware, installation and eventual wear and tear. Either that or some have hardware, installation that is out of spec and they are trying to fix it with software.
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IF the fix involves software, then it is reasonable that a high number of people would eventually be affected - some immediately, some eventually based on tolerances of the hardware, installation and eventual wear and tear. Either that or some have hardware, installation that is out of spec and they are trying to fix it with software.
I'd be very apologetic too. His "hubris" is the root of these problems. His engineers likely saw this coming but feared for their jobs. This vehicle could be a success with conventional doors. FWD and and self closing front doors should have at best, been an option. The take rate would have been low.
This problem is currently diverting much of their limited engineering talent away from the Model 3. I would be driving an X right now if I had any confidence that this was a fixable problem. This appears to need a total redesign, the latches coming off the line appear to have the same problems as the early models. Was the latch ever redesigned? Or just repeatedly replaced when they fail?
If you can afford the grief and time at the SC, leasing an X would be an option. With the liability of cost after the warranty for repeated fixes, purchasing at this stage is quite the financial gamble.
ssq
Member
Of course it is sublime. He thinks the odds are we are living in a computer simulation so maybe he has already been rebooted into an alternate reality.
We are living in a computer simulation, Elon Musk says
We are living in a computer simulation, Elon Musk says
I think it is just his demeanor. He tends to "think" more about his answers than in the past. The "apologetic" part may linked to the realization with the X they should have built iterations after a base technology -- in other words, he is admitting to the error or being over zealous. That said, for may part, I love having all the technology now... albeit requiring some improved software.
I agree with the thought that I'd rather have the base for the technology and later have it refined via software updates.
One big issue with the FWD is that it is so different in its usability than everything else that people are used to. So far the FWDs have been very useful for us but I will admit that I seem to unconsciously limit how often I open them.
One big issue with the FWD is that it is so different in its usability than everything else that people are used to. So far the FWDs have been very useful for us but I will admit that I seem to unconsciously limit how often I open them.
I partially disagree.
There is nothing wrong or hubris-tic (new word!) to have the ambition to build something exceptional, different, whatever. Terrific. That drives a lot of innovation and is great.
What is wrong is to release it to the public...and then to keep on going after they were in the hands of people in Q4 and they were getting the feedback that they should have had known all along.
But again, maybe this isn't a surprise since according to the shareholder meeting, the roadster was " “was completely unsafe,” it “broke down all the time,” and it “didn’t really work,” said Musk. It was stuck in second gear, he added."
Perhaps, they can learn from another leader from one industry who branched out to another...stay for the last 5 seconds.
larmor
Active Member
Sublime--- excellence
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sub·lime
səˈblīm/
adjective
adjective: sublime; comparative adjective: sublimer; superlative adjective: sublimest
1.
of such excellence, grandeur, or beauty as to inspire great admiration or awe.
"Mozart's sublime piano concertos"
synonyms: exalted, elevated, noble, lofty, awe-inspiring, majestic, magnificent, glorious, superb, wonderful, marvelous, splendid;More
informalfantastic, fabulous, terrific, heavenly, divine, out of this world
"sublime music"
used to denote the extreme or unparalleled nature of a person's attitude or behavior.
"he had the sublime confidence of youth"
synonyms: supreme, total, complete, utter, consummate
"the sublime confidence of youth"
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sub·lime
səˈblīm/
adjective
adjective: sublime; comparative adjective: sublimer; superlative adjective: sublimest
1.
of such excellence, grandeur, or beauty as to inspire great admiration or awe.
"Mozart's sublime piano concertos"
synonyms: exalted, elevated, noble, lofty, awe-inspiring, majestic, magnificent, glorious, superb, wonderful, marvelous, splendid;More
informalfantastic, fabulous, terrific, heavenly, divine, out of this world
"sublime music"
used to denote the extreme or unparalleled nature of a person's attitude or behavior.
"he had the sublime confidence of youth"
synonyms: supreme, total, complete, utter, consummate
"the sublime confidence of youth"
I applaud Tesla for continuing to work on any and all issues. GM wouldn't spend a minimal amount to redo ignition locks on their cars, despite people loosing their lives. Now they have the audacity to taught their innovation and quality on commercials -- unfortunately we tend to have short memories.
Tesla's works to solve issues, whether with hardware or software upgrades -- fulfilling the promise of the design. We saw that with the motor/differential updates on the Model S. Tesla decided to fix the issue with better software and hardware to improve the owner experience. I'd bet it cost a lot more than the final expense of GM's changing out the ignition switch. Guess what, no one died as a result of a noisy rear end.
Fortunately or Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember Ford's response to the gas tank explosions on the Ford Pinto (the business case of deaths vs. the cost to fix), and GM's response of the unsafe stabilization of the Chevy Corvair -- people died while they defended their engineering errors. Thanks Tesla for taking the "High-Road".
Tesla's works to solve issues, whether with hardware or software upgrades -- fulfilling the promise of the design. We saw that with the motor/differential updates on the Model S. Tesla decided to fix the issue with better software and hardware to improve the owner experience. I'd bet it cost a lot more than the final expense of GM's changing out the ignition switch. Guess what, no one died as a result of a noisy rear end.
Fortunately or Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember Ford's response to the gas tank explosions on the Ford Pinto (the business case of deaths vs. the cost to fix), and GM's response of the unsafe stabilization of the Chevy Corvair -- people died while they defended their engineering errors. Thanks Tesla for taking the "High-Road".
Its feels like the car is doing a lot of work to make a FWD open and close.
In my previous cars, I used to always put my work laptop/bag in the 2nd row before I drive to work. That was like a 5s deal. With the FWD, it take 20s and because I am not used to it, I need to be mentally present to get that job done (which I am usually not when doing routine mundane stuff).
Same with me for groceries. I often just threw them in the footwell of the 2nd row, but now I just reach across to the passenger side because it's more straightforward than doing a falcon dance to get the bag in the 2nd row.
xkwizit
Member
sub·lime
səˈblīm/
adjective
- 1.
of such excellence, grandeur, or beauty as to inspire great admiration or awe.
"Mozart's sublime piano concertos"
sublime: An American ska band from the '90s.
Early in the morning, risin' to the street
Open up them falcon wings and strap shoes on my feet
Got to find a reason, a reason things went wrong
Got to find a reason why my money's all gone
I got a Model X, but I can still get by
It's in the Service Center 'til a week from this Fri
Lovin', is what I got, but not my Model X..
Early in the morning, risin' to the street
Open up them falcon wings and strap shoes on my feet
Got to find a reason, a reason things went wrong
Got to find a reason why my money's all gone
I got a Model X, but I can still get by
It's in the Service Center 'til a week from this Fri
Lovin', is what I got, but not my Model X..
Krugerrand
Meow
Apparently the people who don't have X's seem to be the experts on what is going on with the X.
Also once the novelty of the FWDs wears off (already the case for us), I find the just too slow to open and close.
Brilliant!!
Frankly at this point, I just wanted an apology from Elon Musk to all Model X buyers for letting us down in terms of the build quality.
grommet
Member
Set your baseline low... remember, Tesla has now admitted the Roadster "was completely unsafe," it "broke down all the time," and it "didn't really work" at launch. We're golden!
