OK I see. So if you had stipulated FSD to point B, the car would have just sat there because there was nowhere to go but backward. I guess what I’m starting to wonder now is if there might be certain scenarios in the future where drivers get into accidents that would not have happened if FSD was driving. Possibly even a driver gets killed and it could be said he’d still be alive if he’d ponied up the $12K for FSD…
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My first accident
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I've been driving for 45 yrs, and cross-traffic alerts are great for backing out of a space, but I've only had that on one car for 3yrs; all the rest of the time, I've had to back out without it. Having said that,
Now, you have to check if KLD is an authorized contractor for NHTSA investigations. I kid, I kid...
This is not a FSD thread, and I am pretty fanatical about keeping that discussion in the subforum that it goes in... since it has an entire subforum dedicated to it.
As far as FSD in general though, @diplomat33 is likely one of the most knowledgable here about that topic, as that is a passion of his (at least from what I see posted here I feel comfortable saying that).
With that being said, as I mentioned, "FSD discussion goes in the FSD subforum."
I think one of the reasons for the length and activity of this thread, is because @diplomat33 is a fairly well known poster here, with not only a pretty long length of time being here (since 2017) but also pretty (and at times very) active. Thats one reason why I was sure this wasnt an attempt by him to troll us in the beginning (even though I said It "felt that way").
I also think that the activity and camaraderie stems from @diplomat33 's willingness to accept the fact that he was at fault, and move toward the discussion of repairs, etc, vs another very similar thread in the model 3 subforum where someone hit an item backing up and was trying very hard to pin the blame on the car.
In that thread, because the OP of that one did not seem to want to admit they were at fault (instead, blaming the car), the response was different.
Back to this thread. While I certainly would not be taking the steps @diplomat33 is taking here (for previously stated reasons), I hope sincerely that this works out to not be too impactful for @diplomat33 .
Indeed. Many new cars these days come with it standard or as an option.
My former '19 Bolt Premier came with it standard (which I had from end of Jan 2019 to end of Jan 2022). From tables near the end of https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/brochures/chevrolet/2019-bolt.pdf, for the lower trim (LT), it's available as part of the driver confidence package.
The '22 Niro EV EX (base trim w/no options) comes with it standard. The below point out some vehicles that can have it.
You Don't Have to Buy a Luxury Car to Get These 4 Advanced Safety Features
Here are 24 CR-recommended cars priced below $35,000, that come fitted with four key safety features: forward-collision warning, automatic emergency braking, blind-spot warning, and rear cross-traffic warning.
www.consumerreports.org
To me it seems like they're attempting to do a blanket investigation of any Tesla accident.
You have to do that in order to assess the impact of AP/FSD/etc on accidents.
In this case its -1 for humans.
At this point its simply curiosity of the approach of the investigator.
At least that's what I'm interested in.
It's unique in that most people who have had an accident aren't contacted by someone doing an investigation for the NHTSA.
If they ever contact me they'll regret it because I'll talk their ear off on how I feel about AP/FSD (the good and the bad).
The NHTSA guy came over. He had his boss with him. They came in an official NHTSA work van. They both wore pants and a blue NHTSA shirt and jacket. They were very professional.
He said the reason they got this accident is because the police report said it was towed. I explained to him that it was not towed but at the time of the accident, when the police wrote the report, I was not sure how to move the car and thought I could not shift into gear so the police thought it was towable. If the police report had not put that the car was towed, NHTSA likely would never have picked my accident.
He asked permission to get the crash data. He said he would need to remove the B pillar to access the recorder. I said "no". He said was ok and said that the crash data would likely not be useful because the airbags did not deploy.
They just spent an hour measuring the car and taking lots of pictures of the car, both interior and exterior. They also took pictures of the road where the accident happened. They also asked me lots of questions. I told them a lot about Tesla. The boss called Elon a "genius". They seemed genuinely interested in how Teslas work. They were curious about FSD and FSD Beta. Overall, it was a good talk.
He said the reason they got this accident is because the police report said it was towed. I explained to him that it was not towed but at the time of the accident, when the police wrote the report, I was not sure how to move the car and thought I could not shift into gear so the police thought it was towable. If the police report had not put that the car was towed, NHTSA likely would never have picked my accident.
He asked permission to get the crash data. He said he would need to remove the B pillar to access the recorder. I said "no". He said was ok and said that the crash data would likely not be useful because the airbags did not deploy.
They just spent an hour measuring the car and taking lots of pictures of the car, both interior and exterior. They also took pictures of the road where the accident happened. They also asked me lots of questions. I told them a lot about Tesla. The boss called Elon a "genius". They seemed genuinely interested in how Teslas work. They were curious about FSD and FSD Beta. Overall, it was a good talk.
Thank you for one of the most entertaining threads in years. I really did not know where this one was headed.
The accident pissed them off but I don't think I "ruined their day". The person was not injured and his pick up truck suffered minor damage, basically a broken headlight, very slight bent in the fender above the front wheel and some scratched paint. He'll probably take it to a local body shop and have it fixed in an hour. Believe me, my day was ruined far more than his! My entire rear corner is crunched in. My charge port and tail light are busted. A coworker had to pick me up for work for a week. There are no local body shops that can do Teslas so I have to drive my busted Tesla 80 miles, leave it there, get a rental car for several weeks. And the repairs are estimated at $12k or more which my insurance should cover (at least partially). So his day was certainly not ruined like my day was.
This thread has been most interesting.
But I would have changed one thing, diplomat33.
The hand written note ... I am surprised you want the "public" seeing your surname.
I would have also redacted the authors contact information.
Just sayin'
Had I authored said note and it was published without any redaction here, I would not be happy.
But I would have changed one thing, diplomat33.
The hand written note ... I am surprised you want the "public" seeing your surname.
I would have also redacted the authors contact information.
Just sayin'
Had I authored said note and it was published without any redaction here, I would not be happy.
TunaBug
Member
My two cents: if it was an individual leaving personal contact info then I agree. But when it's somebody claiming to be a professional giving their business contact information then no.
RayK
Active Member
Said author has also plastered his FB account with that info so I don't think he'd have any problems; FB being more popular than TMC.
alstoralset
Man from another place
That's encouraging about the pants. The NHTSA guy here showed up in a wrestling singlet.
I was able to drive my Model 3 to the body shop (over 80 miles away) and drop it off. It will take several weeks to repair but I am relieved that the car is in good hands. And I got a rental car so I am good. Although, I will say the rental car definitely makes me appreciate my Tesla more.
oreobbq
Member
Thanks for the update and hopefully they fix up your car properly. Just caught up on this thread and I'm glad the nhtsa guy wasn't a Nigerian prince haha. He should've thrown in some free takata air bags for your troubles.
I agree it makes sense for them to pay the shop directly. Anecdotally from friends and family it seems pretty common for insurance to cut a check to the owner and then make adjustments to the chosen repair shop. IIRC, my co-worker signed the insurance check over to their chosen shop.
Update from the body shop: repairs will cost $25k!!! My insurance will cover all of it minus the deductible. They are waiting for the paperwork from my insurance company and will be ordering parts soon and get back to me on a timeline for repairs.
That is insanely high. Wow I guess our insurances will never go down on Teslas.
