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My First Ride in a Self-Driving Car Was Harrowing as Hell

Discussion in 'Autonomous Vehicles' started by Tam, Jan 6, 2017.

  1. Tam

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    It was a CES demonstration of how Self-Driving Car could be as envisioned and combined by 6 companies Microsoft, NXP, IAV, Swiss Re, Esri, and Cubic Telecom all rolled in specially equipped Volkswagen Golf Estate.

    Apparently, stopping for a stationary vehicle is still a challenge.

    The driver still had to manually drive for at least 40 percent of this "Highly Automated Driving Smart, Safe And Secure" demonstration.

    After reading this report, as well as Uber's attempt to test drive in CA without an Autonomous Vehicle Test Permit, these kinds of demonstrations are a disgrace!
     
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    they are pushing the technology beyond it's current limits way too quickly.
    Full autonomy will happen, but the day that a fully autonomous car is ready for the public roads is a long way away
     
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    Someone didn't RTFM
     
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    Wow, I'm going to estimate the cross traffic at 160 fps? A pickup is 20 feet long.

    Just looking at first I figured 100 mph, and then I tried to do the math.

    I've never seen the traffic flow at 109 mph in Vegas.
     
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    Tts an animated gif, not a video, so the frames v. time is not valid. :)
     
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    I agree that this demo was a disgrace, however, that doesn't mean that other approaches would not work better (or they might work worse) For example, from the write-up, this us trying to use a V2X communications system with the lights, which apparently wasn't working, as opposed to the Tesla (and Google's) looking at the lights themselves with multiple cameras (he mentioned "a camera"). I'm not saying that the multiple camera approach is better, just that it is different, so we cant use a demo of one to evaluate the other.

    It's like saying that since early EV's looked bad and had low range, they all will look bad and have low range. Yup, they might, but on the other hand, different approaches will have different results.

    The other demonstrations that I have seen videos of, from a number of manufacturers, seem to show a much more mature system that works better. That could be marketing and cleaned up videos, but even with that, this feels less mature.

    As for Uber's attempt to test drive in CA, They're not applying for a permit had more to do with politics than with technical issues from what I read. They didn't think they needed one, then when told to get one, they decided to try to bull their way through. (They did have some technical issues, but nothing that indicates to me, from what I have read, that they are that far off.)

    Also, over the years, I have given hundreds of demonstrations to customers and the public in various technical roles. A number of them went wrong, some horribly, that didn't mean that whatever I was demonstrating sucked (though sometimes it did ;) ), simply that some part of the demo wasn't working right.

    So, what I am saying is, don't take this (or the Uber thing) as evidence that autonomous driving is doomed to be a long-long way off... include all of the available information, then keep an open mind. I guarantee that Uber doesn't think it is 10+ years off, they would not be spending time and money trying to make it work. And Google would not have started a company to try to sell their approach if they thought it was that far off either... and both of these companies have put lots more thought and research into it than I have. These guys could be wrong, but looking around, Tesla, Volvo, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, Hundai, Chrysler, BMW, Mercedes and others have all been talking about this now, and often showing examples or technology demos. (in fact, I can't think of anyone who isn't, though I am sure there is someone). Again, any of these guys could be wrong, even all of them, but I suspect that if it was impossible, we would be seeing a LOT less of it out there.
     
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    True.

    To me, it's fine to have a visions and aspirations.

    As long as demonstration warns audience that it's not yet "Highly Automated Driving Smart, Safe And Secure" then it wouldn't be a disappointment.

    It is still good to get a demonstration to see how well the system work from various companies and compare their progress.
     
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    In theory, a demonstration of autonomous ability should show that there is absolutely no need for human intervention at all.

    That means a blind person can step in the demonstration and does not need to worry about reading a manual as in the case of Google bug-like car demonstration.

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    Am I the only one that can't get past the fact that Waymo rhymes with lame-o?
     
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    Now I know it, I can't any more.
     

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