My friend's model X crashed using AP yesterday

[Joeski1]

Are you sure you did not end by buying and driving a Volvo XC90 or a Mercedes? What you are describing matches those cars and doesn't even remotely look like a Tesla.

Walk around and look for the T symbol. Good luck.

Brother... I 100% have a TESLA..... both the payments and insurance to match....and I know and I am honest about it.... unlike many here... who own stock.. or have financial interests in the Musk triad....of which I have no involvement whatsoever..

... I just drive the vehicle... which I think is a pretty good one... with some serious flaws... I certainly like my 04 Acura TL with 85K on it enough to keep that in my driveway just in case...

I find a lot of TESLA folks are so ripped about TESLA.. that are biased and untruthful... It is absolutely not 100%...

a "B+" at best... and the AP system in current form is a "D"...

 

[Joeski1]

"Presented to you" by whom?

If your response is "A Tesla employee" than my response is, I don't believe you are accurately describing what that Tesla employee to,d you about Autopilot.

I could care less about what you think.... next time I go in the TESLA retailer to buy another one..I will be wearing a wire....

 

[Joeski1]

Oh.. and this forum can remove my honest and truthful posts all day long... but that won't change the story one bit...

best to all you fanboys....

I love the EV... and the ride.. the peace and quiet... the handling... the acceleration... the looks of envy....

but there is no such similar regard for the features I wrote of earlier....

 

[NikeWings]

And what was your conclusion after your test drives, visits and diligence before purchase.....to proceed to purchase. You even admitted one specialist to be "honest" yet chose to ignore him? And then had a chance to pull the trigger on the satisfaction guarantee, and still did not? Have you no responsibility in your $2500 mistake? Caveat emptor my friend......

thanks... but as soon as a few more disgruntled purchasers line up.. I plan to join the class action....

yes... as presented by TESLA sales specialists.... I think only one was REALLY completely honest.

TESLA will never offer a refund... ya see.. customer satisfaction isn't their HIGHEST calling... making the $$$$$ is....

Geez.. you know what?? .. that sounds alot like actually driving the vehicle for $2500 more dollars....

Elon Musk Says Autopilot Could Still Get Better with No Hardware Intervention
a more than truthful article about auto steer.. aka AP

 

[Joeski1]

And what was your conclusion after your test drives, visits and diligence before purchase.....to proceed to purchase. You even admitted one specialist to be "honest" yet chose to ignore him? And then had a chance to pull the trigger on the satisfaction guarantee, and still did not? Have you no responsibility in your $2500 mistake? Caveat emptor my friend......

I took 3 retailer test drives... about 2.5 hours total time....also drove an owner's MS 60 for an hour at an EV event,,, and had a MSP85 loaner for 30 hours... none of that was long enough to fully gain operational knowledge of the AP system...

the 30 day free trail came too late for me.... had I had 30 days to decide.. knowing what I know now....I would not have done it....

I wonder how many of those 30 day free trails resulted in actual purchases as a percentage??

ps... well.. the kids that work @ TESLA.. they all are very excited about AP... VERY excited... yet none actually own the vehicles..... so if 5 or 6 sales specialists all report absolute "glee" with AP... and one really gives ya the honest truth... who looks like the odd man out??

hint:: don't trust anyone under 35....ahh..make that 45....

 

[ohmman]

Oh.. and this forum can remove my honest and truthful posts all day long... but that won't change the story one bit...

I don't think the forum can keep up with your repetitive posting anyway!

Just a heads up - you can post everything in a single post instead of filling pages with nothing but your own responses. Generally makes more of an impact if there is a conversation and not a singular rant.

The story is the same as it was in the other threads you've commandeered. AP has a clear benefit, but you have a tough time seeing it because of whatever prescription you're wearing. Keep waiting on those class action participants and let us know when that all comes together.

 

[NikeWings]

I took 3 retailer test drives... about 2.5 hours total time....also drove an owner's MS 60 for an hour at an EV event,,, and had a MSP85 loaner for 30 hours... none of that was long enough to fully gain operational knowledge of the AP system...

the 30 day free trail came too late for me.... had I had 30 days to decide.. knowing what I know now....I would not have done it....

I wonder how many of those 30 day free trails resulted in actual purchases as a percentage??

Its a good question but as you properly pointed out, the car isn't a fail; only your unhappiness with paying $2500 for AP. So maybe people passed on the AP or decided they wanted to be on the front end of evolving tech or didnt perform diligence. But after a full test drive (and as many hours as you logged), its tough to walk from the car completely. Joy.

PS don't blame it on the test drive Joe. You certainly had your car for 30 days and still declined to pull the trigger on the happiness guarantee. Just enjoy your car and accept your mistake. Life's too short.

 

[electricity]

Its a good question but as you properly pointed out, the car isn't a fail; only your unhappiness with paying $2500 for AP. So maybe people passed on the AP or decided they wanted to be on the front end of evolving tech or didnt perform diligence. But after a full test drive (and as many hours as you logged), its tough to walk from the car completely. Joy.

PS don't blame it on the test drive Joe. You certainly had your car for 30 days and still declined to pull the trigger on the happiness guarantee. Just enjoy your car and accept your mistake. Life's too short.

He is up to something. I can smell bull $&@! On the internet for miles, and this guy is up to no good.

 

[NikeWings]

He is up to something. I can smell bull $&@! On the internet for miles, and this guy is up to no good.

He's just wasting his time.
There's an expression for him.....something like "now begone before someone drops a house on you too".

 

[bhzmark]

I driven with the AP engaged for about 800 miles all in all of the 8400 on my MS ... about half highway and half local....

it drifts.. enough it almost makes me a bit sea sick....fails to set a middle of the lane on lots of decel and accel lanes (still) ... and lane pushes.....the ACC panic brakes on cars and trucks turning off the road... and sometimes even stopped on the shoulder... sometimes it just stops and slows for no apparent reason... AP has nearly run the car off the road twice on curves... can't see well in the rain.. or where lines are weaker... doesn't move over for pot holes or rough pavement or dead animals in the road... can't see over hills ... and I absolutely would not trust it on congested highways... the AP above the speed limit max setting in many places is too low .. 5 MPH isn't enough.. I have encountered several irate drivers.. (mostly in Hondas') who yell and scream in wild rages at me because it won't go the usual 8-9 MPH over we are used to doing around here....do not use it through constructions zones with jersey barriers (esp. those with lines painted on their bottoms and NOT the roadway itself) unless you are willing to lose a mirror....

another problem is the spacing on the ACC.. if I set it for the lowest setting... vehicles continually cut in front of me on the highway.. and every time they do... the ACC slows again... allowing yet another vehicle to cut in front of me.... another failing is when it slows.. and I try to make a left lane move.. now I am going considerably less speed than the left lane traffic... so I have to over rule the speed control to pass

... as far as the lane change feature... sometimes it works.. sometimes it don't.... I can change lanes pretty good on my own too..

all in all.. I say 'save your money " until the system is finished it's experimental stages... it's a nice sales gimmick that might fully satisfy a few.. a to you I would say.. great!! Have fun!! But keep both hands on the wheel.. and look out for trouble always...

Geez.. you know what?? .. that sounds alot like actually driving the vehicle for $2500 more dollars....

As a favor to your proximate humanity, get a bicycle and an Uber account.

 

[CuriousG]

thanks... but as soon as a few more disgruntled purchasers line up.. I plan to join the class action....

So start your own if you're so dissatisfied with it. Elon Musk did say that not one person said they want their AP taken away. You must be the exception.

TESLA will never offer a refund... ya see.. customer satisfaction isn't their HIGHEST calling... making the $$$$$ is....

You seem to have missed my sarcasm. See below.

I don't think the forum can keep up with your repetitive posting anyway!

You mean every other line where he puts "dot dot dot" which is ironic given you did say repetitive.

Bottom line he's butthurt because he had way higher expectations for AP even though he's had more than ample time to test out the AP features before purchasing the car. C'mon avoid potholes and dead animals? Are there any cars that can do that now?

 

[Dangerous Fish]

Do Americans understand the expression "moon on a stick"?

 

[stevezzzz]

Do Americans understand the expression "moon on a stick"?

Um, no, not this American. Care to explain?

 

[Krugerrand]

I took 3 retailer test drives... about 2.5 hours total time....also drove an owner's MS 60 for an hour at an EV event,,, and had a MSP85 loaner for 30 hours... none of that was long enough to fully gain operational knowledge of the AP system...

Ah, too taken by all the other greatness of the car, eh? Can be the only answer. Well, unless you're challenged in some other way? Perhaps the inability to read instruction?

 

[malcolm]

..."A Public Letter to Mr. Musk and Tesla For The Sake Of All Tesla Driver’s Safety...

You know I never cease to be amazed, nay, inspired by the resilience of Tesla drivers when they are involved in an accident.

You might expect PTSD, flashbacks, anger....but no.

Time and again these heroes respond to traumatic events with a strong sense of civic duty and a loudly stated concern for the safety of others.

Strange that this laudable safety awareness never seems to persuade them to RTFM that comes with the car for themselves and instead they rely on - who knows what - for their safety.

 

[Drivin]

Elon Musk Says Autopilot Could Still Get Better with No Hardware Intervention
a more than truthful article about auto steer.. aka AP


"Tesla released a piece of software before it was sure there was no way it could be further improved. Perhaps he's right, and beta testing isn't the right name for it. It's more like a product rushed to the market."

If one pays for something that is in BETA, one shouldn't complain that it isn't production quality. Maybe the capabilities you want will show up in a dot release!

In the meantime, just enjoy being a beta tester.

 

[Tam]

If one pays for something that is in BETA, one shouldn't complain that it isn't production quality. Maybe the capabilities you want will show up in a dot release!

In the meantime, just enjoy being a beta tester.

I believe that when used as directed, Autopilot, even in its beta phase, is safe.

It's a problem when it is misused. That is not just a problem of beta but also for well proven products as well.

If you use a thin electrical wire for your high voltage, high amperage charger, fire, property destruction and deaths can occur. Not because those wires or chargers in "beta" but because of not reading and not following instructions on how to install the project.

A thin electrical wire is lacking the ability to safely wire for your charger. That does not mean it is useless or we should ban it because it is perfectly fine for you 120V LED light bulbs.

The same is with your Autopilot. It may not be appropriate for some situations but it works very well in certain conditions.

One of those certain conditions was reported in the article:

Tesla Model X driver says Autopilot helped him drive to hospital while suffering from an embolism

"
“It was excruciating pain,” Neally told the News-Leader Friday. “I’ve never had such pain in my life.”

His breathing was limited. He struggled to place a call to his wife, and gasped in pain during their conversation. At times, Neally said, he couldn’t see.

The drive, however, didn’t end in a crash, or with Neally pulling over to the side of the road, although he concedes the latter might have been the recommended practice. Instead, he told the News-Leader, he successfully drove to a CoxHealth facility in Branson for treatment — thanks to the fact that the vehicle was doing most of the work."

If you are not the beta type person, then you should not use Autopilot.

For the rest of us, as very well stated by @Drivin: "just enjoy being a beta tester."

 

[Dangerous Fish]

Um, no, not this American. Care to explain?

It's a British comedy quote coined by Stewart Lee, who probably doesn't get much air time in the U.S.

Urban Dictionary: moon on a stick

 

[Drivin]

I believe that when used as directed, Autopilot, even in its beta phase, is safe.

It's a problem when it is misused. That is not just a problem of beta but also for well proven products as well.


For the rest of us, as very well stated by @Drivin: "just enjoy being a beta tester."

The example you gave is one of it being the beta system being misused. Autopilot in beta was not meant to let partially incapacitated people drive to the hospital. It is a convenience feature that you are supposed to have your hands on the wheel and monitor everything going on.

. It turned out well into case, but if he passed out,or was inattentive or unable able to respond to something like a truck entering the road and the ap not noticing it or not noticing pedestrians in a crosswalk,there could have been a very different outcome.

 

[Tam]

The example you gave is one of it being the beta system being misused. Autopilot in beta was not meant to let partially incapacitated people drive to the hospital. It is a convenience feature that you are supposed to have your hands on the wheel and monitor everything going on.

. It turned out well into case, but if he passed out,or was inattentive or unable able to respond to something like a truck entering the road and the ap not noticing it or not noticing pedestrians in a crosswalk,there could have been a very different outcome.

Thanks for pointing that out. I agree that the prudent thing in medical emergency is to let the professionals do it: stop the car and wait for an ambulance.

It's fortunate that this medical emergency turned out well because the autopilot did not encounter those limitations such as being blocked by a Turn Across Path (LTAP) big white tractor-trailer...